Undergoing physical therapy is a great way to treat various diseases and keep your body in good shape. Dr. Carl Rothschild is here to present one of the most underutilized yet profoundly effective therapies in modern wellness: red light therapy. He joins Zach Gurick to discuss their Trifecta Light Bed^TM and shares real-life stories of healing that have resulted from it. Dr. Rothschild breaks down how whole-body red light therapy not only slows down aging, but also addresses musculoskeletal and autoimmune issues, as well as improves mitochondrial functions. He also explains how they use red/near-infrared light technology combined with resonating sound frequencies to achieve quick and tangible results.

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The Unique Magic Of Red Light Therapy With Dr. Carl Rothschild

We’re diving into a breakthrough that’s been called one of the most underutilized yet profoundly effective therapies in modern wellness, red light therapy. My guest is Dr. Carl Rothschild, CEO of Trifecta Light. Dr. Carl has been a chiropractor since 1978, and is pioneering red light therapy as a powerful tool for fat loss, healing, and performance.

His work combines over 50 years of research showing no side effects with medical-grade technology that’s changing the way we think about health, recovery, and longevity. From helping athletes double their performance to supporting healing and conditions like Alzheimer’s, dementia, autoimmune disease, and even severe burns, Dr. Carl has seen remarkable results. He’s also the author of the seminal book, Illuminated Healing, and the visionary behind Trifecta’s face, fat, fitness model being used by providers and wellness centers worldwide.

In this conversation, we’ll unpack the science behind Red Light Therapy, the real-world stories that make it so compelling, and where this technology is heading in the future of healthcare. Get ready. This is a fascinating look into how light itself can help unlock your body’s potential to heal, perform, and thrive. Let’s welcome Dr. Carl to the show.

 

Dr. Rothschild, thank you so much for being with us. Ever since we had a chance to meet a few months ago, I’ve been looking forward to this conversation. You’re the guru of Red Light therapy. I’m so happy to learn from you and for you to share your wisdom, knowledge, experience, and expertise with our audience. Thanks for being with us.

How Dr. Carl Became A Pioneer Of Red Light Therapy

I love the opportunity to explain to people the miracles that I am experiencing with so many different practitioners throughout the country. I’m in love with this stuff. You giving me an opportunity to explain it to some of your audience is a great opportunity for me. It all started in 1972. I was a junior at Stony Brook University, which is a pretty darn good school out here in New York.

I was a science nut. I loved biology. I won awards and whatever, but I couldn’t see how that was going to translate. I tried microbiology. Let me tell you, and I hope no bacteriologist is going to be mad at me, that studying viruses and bacteria is boring. I realized I wanted to work with people. My girlfriend at the time, her mother was “saved” by her chiropractor, so I started exploring, “Maybe I’ll become a chiropractor.”

I want you to know I was a very good student. I had good grades, but I was a bit of a hippie. By my version of a hippie, it meant for me, most importantly, that my goal was not just to make money. My goal was to help as many people as possible, as corny as that might sound. I love the opportunity to explore chiropractic, but I want you to know that in New York, at that time, chiropractic was about three notches below voodoo. It wasn’t well-respected, let’s put it that way.

With that said, I became a chiropractor in 1978. I started practicing, and I loved it. I was having a lot of fun. I was helping a lot of people. It was unique. Back then, there weren’t that many chiropractors. When I retired years later, there were 100 chiropractors in the same area. When I started, there were three of us. It grew exponentially. I love that. That’s fine.

I was twenty years into my practice, being a wise guy from New York, thinking, “I know everything. No one’s going to teach me anything new.” A medical doctor hands me what looks like a flashlight. This guy was well-respected. He’s out of USC. He’s a professor. He is an orthopedic surgeon. He’s a big shot. I knew him prior to this whole light thing. He hands me this flashlight and says, “Let’s save the world.” I started treating my patients with it.

The only thing we knew back then, for sure, was that you couldn’t hurt anybody. When I tell you some of the miracles that I’m going to be discussing, at the back of your mind, I want you to remember that in the 50 years they’ve studied this technology, there’s never been a recorded side effect. You couldn’t hurt somebody with this stuff if you tried. I brought it into my practice and started treating people. Imagine. That device was thousands of times weaker than what we were using. Even so, we had reasonably good results. As the technology grew, the lights got stronger, more efficient, and more effective, and I loved it.

Years ago, it was discovered that there was an element of red light that helped with weight loss. If anybody out there doesn’t know, I’m going to tell you that weight loss is huge in this country. We already know that people are willing to do whatever to lose weight. Some of those things they’re willing to do are quite dangerous, even if it’s killing fat cells.

We’re not involved with freezing the fat, boiling fat, or lasering the fat. We’re not involved with ultrasonic cavitation or radio frequency. All those are about destroying fat cells. Somebody had the wrong notion that fat cells are to be gotten rid of. The truth of the matter is, fat cells are an essential tissue. As a natural healer, I’m not interested in destroying essential tissue that is involved with hormone production, stem cell production, and many other things.

I’m not going to kill off these cells, but people want to lose fat, and they’ll do whatever it takes. In my opinion, because they’re not doing the research, years from now, they’re going to find out that when you kill off certain numbers of fat cells, it will lead to a less-than-healthy later life. Knowing that this light could help with fat loss, that’s when I got into it, and I started manufacturing.

When you kill off a certain number of fat cells, it will lead to a less-than-healthy later life.

The Shocking Truth Behind Fat Loss

Quickly, if you don’t mind, I would like to tell you guys the mechanism for fat loss because it’s a different mechanism than everything else I’m going to be describing to you. Let’s talk about fat loss. What they learned is that this red light, and only red light and no other color, and nothing with infrared but red only, will change the fat cell wall temporarily for a few hours and make it more porous to allow the fat contents to leak out into the surrounding tissue. Not all the content, but some of the content.

With our unique protocol of using whole body vibration, lymphatic massage, and things like that, we move the fat away from the fat cells to eventually deliver it for use or elimination. It works. I don’t know what to tell you. The downside is, we are relying on the person’s body. If they’re unhealthy and have lousy circulation, it won’t work as well.

With those people who are unhealthy, rather than concentrating on weight loss, we start off concentrating on their health. When we can get the person healthier, then the weight loss is going to come. If we concentrate on weight loss with a sick person, that’s a mistake, no matter who’s doing it. Whether you’re cutting it out or whatever, it’s a mistake. To get the person healthy is the first step.  This process that I’m going to be describing to you not only helps with fat loss, but has a tremendous component to it that will help with healing and many other things.

Moving right along, we started manufacturing pads. We were involved with lasers and things like that that covered parts of the body. We were having very good success. People were raving about the results. To this day, we still have very good results. However, when COVID hit, our practitioners asked us, “We don’t want to close down. Can you come up with something that will allow us to stay open?” Meaning, there’ll be less physical contact between the patient and the provider.

We came up with a bed because you don’t need staff. The person gets in and out of bed themselves. In fact, they walk into the office, you tell them to go into room 3, and they go into room 3. They’ve already been oriented after the first session on how to get into the bed and out of the office. They smile and wave goodbye because they’ve already scheduled in advance and paid in advance. It is a very easy deal. We created this bed, thinking it would be a nice substitute for what we had produced up to that point. Meaning, lasers, pads, and things like that.

Within a month of our having delivered the first series of beds, the results were crazy, startling, and miraculous. Those are juvenile phrases, but I don’t know what else to say. The results are amazing. For example, this guy, Joey, was one of the first ones to look into the camera. At the end of the testimonial that he did with the doctor, not with me, he said, “I want to thank you for giving me my life back.” That’s what we’ve been hearing more than ever.

Remember, when you’re building a business, it’s not satisfied patients that refer to your office. It’s excited patients. We are never going to see more than this number of excited patients as we do when you’re helping them with things that you never believed possible. Someone couldn’t walk, and now, they’re walking. Someone was losing their eyesight, and now, they’re not. I can go on. If you can think of a condition, there would be a huge chance that we’d be able to help with this bed.

I’m not supposed to make claims, so I’m going to tell you anecdotal history, so to speak, but there’s a lot of evidence. I’m not making this up. I’m going to send you a bunch of other stuff, including these videos that I recommend some of you watch. The reason to watch them is that these are the testimonials of these people that surprised or startled me. I’d call them up, not knowing the full extent of what they were going to say. Some of the things that they said were quite remarkable.

We had these two components. One was the fat loss, which we already talked about. The other thing is what I call everything else, which I already described. I’m trying to stay organized here for you so I don’t drive you guys crazy. I wrote a book. I’ve got a tremendous amount of background of 28 years in this red light therapy industry, so I can go on forever, but I’m going to keep this as organized as I can.

I don’t make a dime if you do get this book. It’s on Amazon called Illuminated Healing. Any profits that emanate from that will go to charity. It was an effort, I will tell you that. I’m not the greatest writer. When I handed it to the producer and the editor, they worked on it and cleaned it up. It works well. The factual information is me, but the way some of it is worded was with their help. I didn’t want to take full credit for everything.

At any rate, moving right along, there I am, and we’re sending out this bed again. Remember, the worst that’ll happen is nothing. We’re starting to hear things that we’re quite remarkable. Joey, the one who said, “Thank you for giving me my life back,” had Charcot-Marie-Tooth Disease, which is a weird name for an autoimmune disease. It has to do with him having fifteen years up to that point of pain every day, and his ability to walk was very limited.

After six visits, that’s when he did the testimonial video, describing how he is on the treadmill, how he can ride his bicycle, and how he can walk his dog for the first time ever. He’s ecstatic. Do you think he’s going to refer to the office where he goes? Yes. That’s how you build a business with excited people. I can rattle off, but I’ll be sending you these videos.

How Red Light Therapy Can Improve Your Health Span

There are two things that we talk about, which are lifespan and health span. Of those two, health span is more important, because if you’re living your life with the last twenty years of your life or ten years of your life not so great, that’s not a lot of fun. I don’t want to wind up like that. I never said this out loud, but there were patients that came to my office, and every once in a while, I’d say to myself, “Please, God. Don’t let me wind up like that.”

I’m 73 years old. I work out, eat smart, and use light therapy. That’s the beautiful combination. That doesn’t mean there are other things that you shouldn’t do, but if you do those three, eat smart, exercise smart, and use red light therapy, your lifespan is going to be comparable to your health span. I liken it to a candle that burns bright from the beginning all the way to the bottom and then sputters out and dies. The last 10 or 20 years of your life are not so great. That’s what this is about. It’s about giving you a higher quality of life.

 

 

In one of the videos you can watch, I can’t remember the person’s name, but if you watch it, it’s the daughter. Her mother had severe Parkinson’s and dementia. They were going to have to put her away in a home because they couldn’t help her. They can’t handle her. She was belligerent and forgot all kinds of stuff, so she was a danger to herself and others. They said, “As a last resort, let’s try this bed.”

Getting her into the bed was extremely difficult. If you’ve seen advanced Parkinson’s, these people are like stone. They have no mobility and no flexibility, so getting her in was challenging. Getting her out after that one visit was way easier.  After two weeks, she was lucid. She hadn’t been able to communicate for years. After two months, her quality of life was so much better. She’s still an 85-year-old who has Parkinson’s. They’re not going to get rid of Parkinson’s, but her quality of life is so much better. That’s what we’re looking for.

Typically, with these difficult conditions, you won’t get full resolution. You’ll get as close to that as you possibly can. If it’s an elbow issue or a knee problem, some issues will fully resolve. I’ve seen tens of thousands of patients. At any rate, I loved what I was doing. I was helping a lot of people. That’s what I started off in 1972, wanting that ability to help as many people as possible. That’s what happens.

How Professional Athletes Can Benefit From Red Light Therapy

We are targeting health facilities, fitness facilities, and even beauty. The skin will look fantastic. The fine lines and wrinkles are what we hear a lot about. Energy and skin are right off the top. People will be talking about that almost immediately. I did want to talk to you about athletes. With the olympiads, these are kids. This is mostly field and track. They’re 18, or maybe even 16, to 22. They’re either seniors in high school or somewhere in college. They’re kids, but their routine is outrageous.

These are professional athletes, like pole vaulters, runners, or whatever it is. Their workout is intense. When they wake up the next day after that intense workout, they can barely get out of bed. They do, because this is what they want more than anything. If they use the bed before their activity, they’re going to perform much better that day. They use it again that evening, and then the next morning, they wake up as if they didn’t have a workout. They’re ready to go. They call it fresh as a daisy.

With athletes, if you’re not using our bed, you’re going to be at a distinct disadvantage. The guy next to you, if he’s using our bed, is going to surpass you. Football probably has the most amount of injuries, but basketball is close behind. They have wear and tear on the knees and the ankles. If they get into bed right away, right after the game, their recovery from that is unbelievable. We call it performance and recovery. They’re going to perform better and recover much better.

You could tell us all these stories, and I want to hear more of them. You’ve written a book on red light therapy. I’ve been reading through and have finished most of it. I was intrigued by some of the history of red light therapy, how it came about, and things like that. From World War II and even before that, people, for thousands of years, have used heliotherapy. The Egyptians you talked about were using the sun to treat all kinds of ailments.

How The Trifecta Light Bed^TM Was Developed

This is so our audience who aren’t watching the video can understand, too. You’ve mentioned this to me before in our previous conversations. The bed is like a tanning bed. You said that once you get into the whole body treatment, that’s where the miraculous starts to happen, rather than a light on the outside of a panel. A lot of us have experienced red light panels. You’re going to get some benefits, but you were mentioning that the bed was where the magic happens.

I’m glad you pointed that out because that was something I was supposed to point out to you. It’s the full body experience. We didn’t get these kinds of results until we went full body. With the bed, you’re getting top to bottom, front and back, left and right, and inside and out, affecting as many tissues as possible. We already talked about fat loss. When it comes to the healing mechanism, I’ll explain to you why it’s important to affect as many cells as possible at the same time. If I were to do a part of the body and another part tomorrow, we would never get these results until we did the full body at the same time.

Maybe you could describe for us some of the history of how this came about, but then help us understand that mechanism.

We were making the bed as a substitute for what we had before. Once we started getting these beds out, that’s when the miracles started happening. They took years to figure out the mechanism of the healing aspect. What they have since learned is that there are some key words that I have to go over with you. The whole body is made up of tissues, and your tissues are made up of cells. Your cells have components, or what they call organelles, like the nucleus. The thing we are going to be dealing with is called the mitochondria.

The mitochondria are the reason why you and I breathe oxygen and eat food. The mitochondria, with the oxygen and food, will manufacture a molecule called ATP. The ATP is the energy currency of the body. With that said, it’s the powerhouse of the body. The ATP is the energy currency, and the mitochondria are the powerhouse.

That ATP helps us do everything. If you have the right amount of ATP, you’re good. If you don’t have the right amount of ATP because of some mitochondrial dysfunction, it will lead to disease and, eventually, death. Other than injury, accident, or something like that, it is the road to why people age differently from one to the other. It has to do with mitochondrial health.

ATP is the energy currency, and mitochondria is the powerhouse. If you do not have the right amount of ATP because of mitochondrial dysfunction, it will lead to diseases and eventually death.

We take these lights from the sun. If we thought that sitting out in the sun would do the same thing, I would’ve told my patient to do that. It doesn’t. It’s a fraction of what the body’s going to require. Let me give you an example. I’m not going to bore you with a lot of them. Let’s talk about Arnett. Arnett called up one of our health practitioners and said, “Can you help me? I’m having a heart attack once, if not twice, a week. Can you assist me?” Guess what? Nobody could help him.

The medical profession, what they did was they implanted a defibrillator in his chest years ago. At that time, he was having a heart attack once a month, and then twice a month. By the time we meet him, it’s twice a week, and he is dying. There’s not much left. I can’t imagine he’s going to last more than 6 months to 1 year.

The practitioner calls me up and says, “I don’t think I should treat him because I don’t want him to have a heart attack in my office.” The reason he could survive having had these heart attacks is because, many years ago, they implanted a defibrillator in his chest. Every time he died, it would zap him back to life, but in between and all during that time, his heart was failing. His energy was gone. Everything was not doing well.

I told the practitioner, “Rule number one, we know that the worst that’ll happen with anybody is nothing. You couldn’t hurt somebody at all with this technology. There’s a tremendous upside. Let’s try it. A dose is normally twelve minutes. Let’s treat him for five minutes. Stay in the room the whole time.” That patient went home that night, and that was a few years ago. He’s had more treatment, but he has never had a heart attack since. Everything has come back to life. His energy is through the roof, as he described it. When you get a chance to watch that video, his name is Arnett. If that doesn’t excite you, then you’re not crazy like me.

There are people who like helping others. I get a kick out of helping others. I don’t know where that came from. I’m not a great businessman. One thing I learned in business is that their main goal is to be successful. I don’t want to get into this whole philosophy, but sometimes, that means they have to step on somebody else. That’s not my style. As a chiropractor, most of us are here to help. Money will come because of the efforts that we make, not as our main focus.

At any rate, long story short, this guy is on top of the world. Do you think he’s excited? Yes. Do you think he has referred a lot of people to the office where he was going? Yes, so much so that he convinced some guys to open up their own office out in Palmdale, California, because it was a long drive to go to the office where he was getting treated. He can go as often as he needs to, and he’s happy as a clam. You can’t believe how happy he is. That’s what we’re getting more than ever.

Jarissha had a stroke. After eight visits, she was better than before she ever had the stroke. Steve contracted Lyme disease when he was twelve. It ruined his life. His childhood, his social life, and his education were ruined. His career was nonexistent because there were days when he couldn’t even get out of bed. It ruined him, and it ruined his life, so someone convinced him to use our bed.

I have this testimonial. I’d love for you to watch this someday. This is Steve. Almost as much with Arnett with the heart attacks, that’s how striking this video is with Steve. If you get a chance, I want you to watch that. I’m not going to tell you what happens. Watch it. I will tell you one thing. He gets into the bed, gets out of the bed, and notices no difference. He figured it was a bunch of crap. Watch the video and see what happens. I get a kick out of these things.

Getting back to the mechanism, we talked about the mitochondria. If we can stimulate the mitochondria to come back to health, that person will do much better. This explains to you why it’s so global. It sounds like snake oil, where we can potentially affect every cell in your body. It doesn’t matter if it’s the brain, nervous tissue, muscle, ligament, tendon, or any other organ or gland. It doesn’t matter. They all have a similar structure of tissue made up of cells that have mitochondria that we’re going to stimulate with these certain wavelengths of light.

There are all kinds of wavelengths out there. With the research that I’ve done over the years, we’ve isolated the four miracle wavelengths. Two of them are red. They burn and look red. Two of them are near infrared. Let’s talk about infrared and get that out of the way. There’s no such thing as infrared by itself. It’s either far infrared, which is a fancy way of getting deep penetrating heat, which doesn’t change the cells in any way. It doesn’t have any long-term effect on the mitochondria, for example.

The glorious wavelength is the near infrared. Both of these infrareds, the far infrared and invisible near infrared, are invisible to the naked eye. It’s the near infrared that I have worked with for 28 years. Remember, a couple of years ago, it was discovered that red had something to do with fat loss. That’s when I got involved with red. Up until that point, knowing that red didn’t have nearly the healing qualities that near infrared had, I wasn’t working that much with red.

We’ve integrated red and near infrared for a number of reasons. It’s not only for fat loss, but all the healing aspects that we’re talking about. To review, we’re talking about stimulating the mitochondria to come back to help with using these 4 wavelengths and driving these 4 wavelengths deep into the person’s body. We didn’t see these results again until we covered the whole body from head to toe.

The different wavelengths of light also penetrated different depths, correct? That’s part of the formula here.

It’s part of it. It’s not the whole thing. Wavelengths are like radio stations. If you were to listen to radio station number 640 or 1070, you would think, “Maybe 1070 is stronger.” It’s more important that you’re tuning into the right wavelength to have its effect. That’s what we’re talking about here. Red doesn’t penetrate as deeply. With near infrared, it’s not just because it penetrates deep. It also stimulates the tissues in a better way, not only because it’s deeper penetrating.

Those light waves, we get them from the sun as well. It’s a natural thing that you’re doing.

We’re magnifying them thousands of times.

Using Medical-Grade Professional Lights For Therapy

With your beds as well, you had told me before that you use a material that makes it so it’s not quite as hot. You can get the lights closer to the body, and that allows the penetration to happen a little better as well.

Here are the six things you’ve got to live for. If any of you who are reading ever invent something superb, be prepared that there’s a country out there that’s going to steal the idea and make cheap knockoffs. It’s going to happen. That’s our biggest competitor. Junk. There is junk out there that unfortunately works a little bit, but people think that because it looks similar to what we have here, it must be the same thing. It’s not.

If you invent something superb, be prepared to deal with a country that will steal your idea and make cheap knockoffs.

Here’s what we are looking for. The thing that is most important is called medical-grade professional lights. Medical-grade light burns very strongly without getting hot. Remember, heat is the enemy. If heat were not the problem, then even years ago, we could have come out with a light that was unbelievably powerful, but those lights would be so hot.

It’s not because it’s uncomfortable or can burn the person. Here’s the problem with heat. If you put a heat pack on someone’s back for ten minutes, come back and see their back is bright red. Why is that? Heat will attract blood to the surface of the body. That would block the penetration of our lights. Many years ago, we called it cold laser or cold therapy. These were lights that burned as strongly as possible without getting hot.

If you have a piece of paper, write this down. To give you some perspective, years ago, for our entire system, it was 90 milliwatts. Fast forward 28 years to our bed, each 1 of our diodes is 3000 milliwatts. We have over 5,000 of these 3000 milliwatts. That’s 90 milliwatts over here and 3,000 times 5,000. I’m not even going to give you the numbers because they’re astronomically huge. That’s how powerful we had back then, because anything more powerful would get hot.

Now, we have the capability of generating much stronger lights that also don’t get hot. That’s where the money is. That’s what costs so much for us to research and put together. Anybody can throw a bunch of lights together, paint them red or whatever you want to do, and think that they have a successful device. They don’t. When you go to some of these gyms that have junk, we hear from the people that go there, “I can go to the gym and use it.” It’s crap. I’m sorry. It’s junk from China.

You might have some effect, but not the things that you’re talking about or the stories you’re telling.

That’s the problem with red light. Even junk has some results. A person says, “I have more energy.” You will, but we are looking for miracles. We’re going way beyond energy. For example, when someone gets in our bed, we have them keep their mouth open and their eyes closed and not wear goggles. Why is that? We want this glorious energy into the mouth and, even more importantly, perhaps all that energy into the eyes.

Think about anything. We’ve seen great, beautiful results. We’ve seen results from macular degeneration and macular edema. We’ve seen results from cataracts. We had a guy who needed surgery for cataracts. He was also using our red light bed. When he went for the surgical review, there were no cataracts at all. The doctor said, “Something’s wrong here. We got to redo that test.” It was confirmed that he had no cataracts.

Floaters are going to be gone within a month, probably. I can’t promise you anything, so don’t get me in trouble for that, but the likelihood is very strong. Floaters are an easy gig. It’ll help a lot. They get into the bed with their mouth open and eyes closed. They don’t wear the goggles. It’s a twelve-minute dose. Everything from the top of your head to the bottom of your feet will be affected in a very positive way.

I want to make sure I’ve finished with the mechanism. We talked about how the light stimulates the mitochondria, and the mitochondria come back to health. The mitochondria are involved with producing the ATP molecule, which is the energy currency. If you have the right amount of ATP, you can be as healthy as can be. You could be like a burning candle that burns from top to bottom. That’s what you want. It’s the fountain of youth.

If you have the right amount of ATP, you can be healthy and feel complete. You can be a burning candle that burns bright from top to bottom.

The light is the energy that’s energizing the mitochondria. It’s stimulating it to produce more ATP or to produce the optimal amount of ATP.

Everything To Consider When Using The Trifecta Light Bed^TM

The right amount of ATP. It’s to get a dysfunctional mitochondrial system back to normal. That’s what we’re looking for. Let’s continue with what you should be looking for. I have a few things I want to talk about. I want to talk about side effects and contraindications. I’ll do the side effects quickly. There’s none. In the 50 years of studying this technology, there has never been a recorded side effect. Anybody could try it.

Two, contraindications. Contraindications is a different term. It’s who should or should not use this bed. I already told you about Arnet, who had a defibrillator in his chest. It wasn’t contraindicated because it doesn’t affect electrical components. You can get in there with a pacemaker or anything. You can also get in there with metal. If you had a shoulder replacement or if you have staples from your surgery, that’s not a contraindication. In fact, there aren’t any real contraindications.

There’s one legal contraindication. This legal contraindication is pregnant women. If that baby is destined to come out abnormal, having nothing to do with what anybody has done, when that baby comes out, they’re going to want to blame somebody for that. I tell everybody, “Let’s not be in that neighborhood. Let the baby come out, and then you’re going to do your miracles with the mother after the baby is delivered.” Do we know that this would be helpful to the mother and fetus? Of course. One of the diseases we have in this country is that there are too many attorneys. They’re all looking for some reason to sue all of us. You don’t want to give them any reason.

We talked about side effects and contraindications. Let’s talk about what you should look for. First, medical-grade, high-end lights. It’s not about power. It’s about effectiveness. If someone says, “I’ve got the most powerful bed,” that doesn’t matter to me if it’s getting hot and/or if it’s not as effective as it needs to be.

 

 

The next thing is full-body coverage, which we already talked about. The next thing is that the lights have to be very close to the body. You lose power exponentially as you come away from the body. Our canopy comes right down onto your body, not the weight of it. Many of our competitors have a high-arching canopy because their lights get so hot. They can’t have it close to the body. Our lights don’t get hot. It’s powerful without getting hot.

The next thing is that you can customize the treatment. Someone who’s 80 pounds is not going to get the same dose as someone who’s 400 pounds. A 400-pounder has a lot of flesh. They can absorb a lot of this energy without getting hot. The 80-pounder has no flesh, so we have to tone down the power to accommodate that size and the condition that the person has.

The next thing is that we are able to pulse the wave. That’s called frequency. People say, “What are your frequencies?” Typically, they’re most commonly asking more about wavelengths. Frequency has to do with pulsing the wave. You might wonder, “Why is that important?” If some of you are familiar with PEMF or with different types of pulsating devices, there are a lot of different ways of creating vibration or pulsations around you. One is vibration. The other is sound. The other one is light, like ours.

The other one is microcurrent, where the person will hold onto something, or it’ll be strapped to them, and a microcurrent is sent through their body at different frequencies. What they’ve learned is that different tissues in your body are affected by different frequencies. We go through all that. When someone gets our bed, it includes 32 things, including what we call Business in a Box. It’s very simple.

In chiropractic, there are techniques that could take years to learn. For the bed, there’s only one thing you have to know. Everyone, hopefully, has a finger on their body. They need to learn to push the button on, get into the bed, get out of the bed when it’s over, and say goodbye as they’re walking out. The technique is not difficult. I could teach anybody how to do what I described in minutes. I’ve had twelve practices. I’ve trained a lot of associates. I’ve never seen anything as effective and as easy to treat. You don’t have to be a genius. You don’t have to be a health practitioner to have this technology. We have devices that you can buy for your home.

More importantly, 90% of our sales are to businesses in the health industry. When I talk about the health industry, that’s the fitness industry, the beauty industry, and the weight loss industry. I already described athletes. If you are an athlete and you’re not getting in our bed, that’s a huge mistake. I had a guy call me not that long ago. He is a very serious swimmer. He said he can now swim almost twice the distance he used to be able to swim because of using red light therapy. It’s the stamina. They get to jump higher, faster, or whatever. They get great results with that.

We talked about pulsing the waves. The last thing is that it needs to be a serious device that plugs into a serious outlet. If you buy a device that you can plug into the regular house outlet, that tells you right off the bat that that’s an inferior device. With our device, we include the outlet and the instructions to give to your electrician, who will install a dedicated line. It’s not expensive. It’s very easy to do. We have hundreds of these throughout the country.

Use The Trifecta Light Bed^TM At Least Six Times

Here’s the challenge for all of you. If you have an issue, try the bed six times. I call it the Big Six. It would be very unusual not to see a result after six visits. That doesn’t mean you don’t need more visits, but you should see a difference in a way that you haven’t seen in many years in your life in six visits. It doesn’t matter if it’s any of the conditions I’ve already described, like Lyme disease or multiple sclerosis.

With multiple sclerosis, what we see is that it doesn’t reverse the problem, but it halts the progression, which is glorious. It’s a very disgusting progressive disease. For that reason, if you know somebody with MS, they should be getting into this bed as early on as possible. Try it for six visits first. There are some people who have such severe problems that maybe it’ll take 10 visits, but I’m telling you that 99% of you, after 6 visits, will see the change.

Here’s what I want you to do. I want you to go to the website. It’s called TrifectaLight.com. Go to the Contact Us page. On the Contact Us page, on the left side of that page, it will give you an opportunity to find a location closest to you. Go to that office that’s closest to you, try it six times, and then go back to the Contact Us page. At the bottom of that Contact Us page is an opportunity for you to send a message to us. We’d like to know what happened after those six visits.

Since I started this program of challenging you all to the Big Six, I’ve never gotten anybody saying anything about not having a great experience. You may need a lot more than six visits, but you’ll see a change like you haven’t seen in many years in your life. I’m talking about anything you can think of. It could be intestinal issues.

We’ve had this one lady. It’s actually more than one, but I don’t know why it always seems to be twenty years of constant diarrhea. Those 6 visits are 3 times a week for 2 weeks. It takes two weeks. Each dose is only twelve minutes, so it’s easy as pie. You get into the bed 6 times for 12 minutes, and then go to the website and send me back feedback on how those 6 visits went for you. Got it?

That sounds good. I love that you give us something actionable. These beds are located all throughout the country. Anyone who’s on that Contact Us page can find something relatively close, I’m sure.

Let me say one more thing.

Yeah, please.

When they’re on the website, the Contact Us page on the left side is an opportunity to find a location closest to you. On the right side is an opportunity for you to learn whether this makes sense to incorporate into your business. If you’re an accountant or bookkeeper, this is not for you. This is for people who have some relationship with the body. It could be anything you can think of. We’re talking about massage therapists, for example, or chiropractors, or medical doctors. It is anybody who knows the body to a degree. That’s even the whole beauty industry, fitness industry, weight loss industry, and athletes. Ninety percent of our sales are to big businesses. Ten percent is for home use.

One thing that people don’t realize is how expensive it is to be sick. They don’t know. If they’ve never been sick, they don’t get it. It’s going to happen, probably. Few people go through their whole life without having to spend some time in the hospital. You’ll be shocked to learn how expensive it is to be sick in a number of different ways.

Even if you have insurance, how can you make up for the fact that you’re stuck at home and an invalid? If you want to avoid that or at least try to avoid that, I’m telling you, red light therapy is one of the ways to go. I talked about smart eating, smart exercise, and red light therapy. Red light therapy is the integration of red and near infrared together.

When you go to the website, the Contact Us page is on the right side. Check that out and see if this doesn’t make sense to incorporate into your own life. I even challenged the mental health industry, which has been very stubborn. They are the most stubborn I’ve ever found. I’m telling you, people with PTSD and depression had great results with using this full-body red light bed.

Let me give you an example. We had a patient who was extremely depressed. She hated her life. After two weeks of treatment, soon after, she wrote me an email. It goes like, “If this is how normal people feel every day, I can’t believe I’ve been missing out all this time.” She found the one thing she had been missing for many years. Do you know what that is? Joy. She had not experienced joy in many years of her life. Now, she does.

That doesn’t mean she still doesn’t have problems. We all have problems, but some people get bogged down and so depressed with their problems because they don’t know how to handle them. Somehow, this mechanism affects the brain to give the person a better perspective, I suppose. I’m not an expert on mental health, and I don’t pretend to be. I’m telling you, anecdotally, the beautiful results we’re seeing. Try it out for your business, or think about it and try it out for your health.

Life Is All About Maintenance And Prevention

That’s fantastic. In your book, you also wrote about the effects of red light therapy on our telomere health as well. I’m thinking about prevention as well. Mitochondrial dysfunction and telomere attrition are two of the hallmarks of aging. If our mitochondria are functioning properly and our telomeres are not shortening, then our cells can continue to replicate. Ultimately, we’re extending our health span through that process and staying exactly as healthy as possible for as long as possible. For prevention, for people who are healthy and want to remain healthy, what do you recommend? What’s your own practice?

I’m 73, and I don’t have a particular ailment. The common ailment we all have is getting older. I want to do what I tell my patients to do, which is to try to age as gracefully as possible. We can’t stop getting older. I’m trying my best. I use it, at a minimum, once a week. If I’m not in town, that’s challenging. I use it at least 1 or 3 times a week.

There are two phases. Everybody should expect to have maintenance. When my patients go, “Is this permanent? Do I ever have to have a treatment for any of these things that I’ve been coming to you for?” I go, “It’s permanent. However, we have to stick you in a freezer to not let you get any older and not let you do the same stupid things you did to wind up here in the first place.” In other words, nothing’s permanent because you’re going to get older.

You’re probably not sitting perfectly, standing perfectly, sleeping perfectly, eating perfectly, or exercising perfectly. That’s what life’s about. You’re moving ahead, but recovery is a critical part of your life. I guarantee you that the majority of people listening don’t know how to sleep. They’re sleeping wrong. If you think about it, one night’s sleep wrong is pretty bad for your spine. For a lifetime? It’s ridiculous what you’re doing to yourself.

When you buy a television, for example, it comes with a manual. We don’t come with a manual. You have to trust your practitioner to teach you. I’m not in practice, but I would emphasize that standing, sitting, sleeping, beds, pillows, chairs, car seats, shoes, and everything, they need to do that perfectly. When they leave my office and they don’t hold the treatment, whose fault is that? Maybe it’s mine for not having educated them on how to take care of themselves as well as they possibly can.

Getting back to your question about maintenance, life is about maintenance and prevention. Let me tell you something. Nobody makes a dime in the medical profession if you’re healthy. They’re not health-oriented. They’re smart. They’re willing to wait until you’re half dead because that’s where the money is. The money is emergency medicine. If you don’t believe me, go on ChatGPT and say, “What is the average cost for an ambulance to take me to a hospital?” It’ll shock you. I’m in Los Angeles, so I would imagine it’s much more there. Figure out how expensive it is to be sick. It’s unbelievably expensive.

The Expensive Reality Of Drug Medications

No one’s going to emphasize taking care of you but yourself. You have to learn it for yourself. Hopefully, you can find a health practitioner who’s more interested in your well-being than in how much money he or she can make from you. You don’t want to get me too politically oriented here because I’ll go crazy on that stuff. I’ve been studying this stuff and been involved with this for 50 years. When I started in practice, my goal was to get people to use less drugs and less surgery. We failed miserably because there’s more drug use than ever before.

In fact, on television, if you ever watch television, the commercials are no longer about the drugs you should get. The commercials are about telling you how to instruct your doctor on the drugs you should get. I don’t know. Is he uneducated? Is he dumb? Your doctor should know. The commercials are teaching you how to teach your doctor about the right drugs you should be taking. It’s crazy. Drug use is sky high.

I want to give you one last notion of how expensive drugs can be. There’s a patient of mine who had ulcerative colitis, and they were put on a biologic. A biologic is relatively newer. It’s offered to you usually as an injection or, more commonly, as an IV. It’s a one-hour drip, for example. Would you like to take a guess at this drug? I’m not going to mention it. I’m already in trouble here. I don’t want to get into any more trouble. There’s a drug out there that is an IV drip for one hour for ulcerative colitis. Take a guess on how much one one-hour drip costs.

I would hope it’s only $100 or something like that. I’m guessing it’s probably thousands.

How about $55,000 for 1 drip? Do you understand what we’re going up against here? How do you compete when they can make so much money doing that? Why would they do this? Don’t get me started here. At any rate, it has been a real pleasure. Do you have any other questions?

I had one other question. What about a torn ligament or a torn muscle? If there’s a tear, can a red light therapy bed like yours help with regenerative effects?

You’re pointing out that I screwed up on this conversation. I don’t often bring up musculoskeletal issues because they’re a slam dunk. That started many years ago. When I was in practice years ago, that’s what it was all about. It was musculoskeletal. Whether it’s a ripped Achilles tendon or torn whatever, if it’s not severed completely, the results are spectacular. I apologize. I got to have it in my list of things to remember to talk about.

Musculoskeletal, meaning any muscle, tendon, ligament, bone, or broken joint. You’d be hard-pressed to find any condition. How about 3rd degree burns where the person was guaranteed by the wound center that they would be in pain for 6 months, take drugs for 6 months, and at the end of 6 months, have permanent scarring? Getting into a red light bed by the middle of the second week, the pain was gone. By somewhere in the 3rd week, maybe the end of the 3rd week, it was gone. No scarring, nothing. That’s skin, but it could also be any joint, muscle, or tendon. If it’s severed, then you have a problem.

This is not saying that we don’t want surgery or drugs for people. The way it’s used in this country is that they go that direction first. I like the alternative methods first and see if that’ll work out before you go to more emergency kinds of stuff, like drugs and surgery. Drugs are great if they have no side effects, but they all have side effects. That’s what you’re up against.

Drugs would be great if they had no side effects. Unfortunately, they do.

The reason why attorneys love the pharmaceutical industry is that the pharmaceutical industry makes gazillions of dollars selling a drug. Sometime within that first decade, they’re going to get sued by the attorneys because of all the horrific side effects that come about. It’s an interesting little game that they’re all playing. Thank you for bringing up the musculoskeletal.

I like what you’re saying. Try that first, and then if you need a more invasive procedure because of something like that, you’ve made progress on other things, I’m sure. This is amazing. It’s a shame that this isn’t more widely utilized and recognized as a modality for healing as powerful as it is.

When I started, nobody was using it. Now, hundreds more people are using it. As long as you have the pharmaceutical industry making so much money, we’re never going to break through that. We’ve tried. I was hoping that with Robert F. Kennedy, he would have some success in that, but you could see the crap he goes up against. You’re talking about a huge industry that’s very challenging. It’s part of life. More people are going to be using this. I talked to this lady. She referred eighteen people to the office where she’s going because she’s crazy about this stuff. It’s not satisfied patients who refer. It’s excited patients. You’re never going to see more excited patients than you will with this therapy.

What’s Next For Red Light Therapy

Thank you so much for the amazing work you’ve done and the work you’re doing to bring this to the world. Thank you for the book that you took the time to put together, Illuminated Healing. It’s on Amazon. All the proceeds go to charity. I have one other last question here. You talk a little bit in your book about the Future of red light therapy. What do you see on the horizon? What’s coming over the next 5 to 10 years with this technology?

It’s what we’ve been doing for 28 years, which is making the lights even better and stronger without heat. That’s the biggest challenge. I don’t know what to tell you. The medical profession is going to be left behind if they don’t think about incorporating this into its business as well. I wish I could tell you whether people are going to come around or not. I’m hoping that people start thinking about people’s well-being more than the profits that they can make. It hasn’t happened up until now, so we’ll see. I can tell you that our goal is always to try to get lights stronger without heat.

I also want to point out the YouTube channel. Go to YouTube and put in @TrifectaLightOfficial. There are over 150 videos there, and they’re phenomenal. I love them. Go to that if you want to see some stuff. Also, do go to Google Scholar and learn for yourself. The word is photobiomodulation. Photo means light. Bio means tissue. Modulation means it does something. See how light can affect the body. Go to Google Scholar and you’ll learn what it can help. You’ll be surprised. There’s almost nothing that you’re going to find that it can’t assist in some way.

On Google Scholar, if you search photobiomodulation, there are thousands of studies that have been done.

I think over 30,000. I forgot how many there were.

There’s plenty of light reading there. This is great. Thank you so much for doing what you’re doing.

It is my pleasure.

Go to TrifectaLight.com. Go to the Contact Us page. Find a bed near you and give it a try six times. I’ve looked at that. For most places, it’s maybe $40 or $50? It’s sometimes more. It’s sometimes less. It depends on the practitioner.

It depends on the area. $40 or $50 is pretty low. It’d probably be closer to $75 to $100. If you tell them that you want the Rothschild special for those six visits and they don’t give you a better deal, tell me about it, and I’ll kick their butts.

Thank you for making this technology more widely available. We hope to get the message out to as many people as possible. Thank you so much for joining us.

You take care.

You, too. Thanks.

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Episode Wrap-Up And Closing Words

What a fascinating conversation with Dr. Carl Rothschild, CEO and Founder of Trifecta Light. You can find them at TrifectaLight.com. Check out their website. Go to the Contact Us page. Find a location near you and try it out for at least six visits. It’s amazing the different conditions that red light therapy can make a significant difference in.

There are going to be some videos. They’re on the website or the YouTube channel @TrifectaLightOfficial. I would encourage you to do your own digging and research. You can also go to Google Scholar, type in photobiomodulation, and look through the 30,000 different studies that have been conducted about red light therapy.

If you want to look and feel your best, this can be for you. If you’re an athlete, this can be for you. If you have any ailment, anything that’s musculoskeletal, any kind of autoimmune issue, Parkinson’s, dementia, Alzheimer’s, or any of those things, red light therapy can make a significant difference for you. If you want to prevent the aging process, slow it down, or extend that health span and have some preventative maintenance there, then this can help with mitochondrial function and telomere attrition.

You’ll have amazing benefits, especially if it’s a whole body coverage. By having those lights as close to your body and covering your entire body, then all of your cells are getting this super dose of red light and near infrared light at the same time, making it very effective. This is exciting stuff. Hopefully, more people will get to utilize this technology and share their stories with friends, loved ones, and others, so that we’ll continue to see these amazing benefits.

Also, you can check out Dr. Carl’s book, Illuminated Healing: Unraveling the Mysteries of Light Therapy by Dr. Carl Rothschild. It’s on Amazon. Check that out. He’ll donate the profits back to charity, and we can all learn about it together. Thank you so much for tuning in to this fascinating conversation. I hope that you enjoyed it. I hope you benefit from it in some way. Until next time, we’ll see you back here.

 

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