PEMF therapy—often called the “Earth’s heartbeat”—is transforming how we approach healing and wellness. Mark Fox, former space shuttle chief engineer turned health innovator at Resona Health, joins to share the science and story behind VIBE, his pocket-sized PEMF device designed to bring frequency-based healing into everyday life. He explains how pulsed electromagnetic fields boost cellular energy and support relief from anxiety, sleep issues, and pain, while offering a glimpse into future innovations like HRV-tracking wearables, AI-powered analysis, and even smart bulbs delivering therapeutic frequencies.
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How PEMF Vibes Are Shaping The Future Of Healing With Mark Fox
Introduction
Welcome back to Fully Alive, where we are unlocking the secrets to a healthier, happier and longer life. We’re diving into the fascinating world of energy, frequency and innovation with a guest whose career path is anything but ordinary. Mark Fox began his journey as a Space Shuttle Chief Engineer and Aerospace Innovator but his passion for invention and human potential led him down an entirely new path into the world of health, wellness, and frequency-based healing.
He’s the creator of the VIBE, which is the world’s first pocket sized PEMF device designed to bring the healing power of pulsed electromagnetic fields into everyday life. From helping veterans overcome PTSD to reducing pain and anxiety to improving sleep, energy and even your pet’s health, Mark’s technology is opening new doors to drug free non-invasive wellness.
Mark is also a hot air balloonist, an airplane builder and author of Da Vinci and the 40 Answers and a global speaker on innovation and creativity. His mission is to make frequency based healing accessible and as smartphones are, empowering people everywhere to live healthier more vibrant lives. This is going to be a powerful conversation that blends cutting edge science, real world results and visionary thinking about the future of medicine. Let’s jump in. Here’s my conversation with Mark Fox.
Mark, thank you so much for being here. After learning about you and the amazing background, journey and experiences that you’ve had, I’ve been excited and looking forward to this opportunity to meet with you and have this conversation for our reader to hear and learn from you. Thanks for taking time to be with us.
Thank you so much for having me. It will be fun. I appreciate it.
You started your career as an aerospace engineer. I’m just curious. What was that world like? How did it shape your approach? Can you share a little bit about your backstory? I’m always curious about where people’s passions come from, how they end up where they are and doing the things that they’re doing. You’ve made this significant shift as well, but we’d love to just hear about what that world was like and how that led you to where you are now.
I live in Cocoa Beach, Florida, and my dad was in the rockets and stuff. I didn’t want anything to do with rockets or aerospace. None of that. I was a chemical engineer out of college. My best friend was a nuclear physicist and we were both hanging drywall. We’re making $3.50 an hour ago and I go, “This sucks. We’re not using our degree.” Somebody goes, “Morton Thiokol, a company at the Kennedy Space Center is hiring people. Put your resume in.” I put my resume and they go, “When can you come for an interview?” I’m like, “When do you need me?” They go, “Now.”
I go in there and the guy hands me a trifold brochure and says, “We make rocket motors specialty chemicals and salt. It pays $12.40 an hour.” I go, “What am I going to be doing?” He looks at my resume in the middle of the folder and goes, “I don’t know. Engineering stuff.” I was like, “Huh? When do I start?” He goes, “Now.” I learned later on that they had a cost-plus contract and they were told, “Go higher than 80 engineers with a degree. I don’t care if they’re retarded or whatever. We’ll fire him later.” I never wanted to be an aerospace engineer but that happened because it’s hanging drywall.
I said I’ll keep this for six months and then I ended up there for seventeen years. That’s how I got into aerospace. I’ve done a lot of things since then. I worked for Iomega and Zip drive. I own part of a women’s clothing company. I know enough about DNA to be dangerous, so I created music and art from saliva so you can get your DNA from your saliva and we make art and music out of it. My wife goes, “How many companies have you started in the last ten years?” I’m like, “I don’t know.” She goes, “Go count on them” It’s like twelve but they never work because I never had enough margin to pay Zuckerberg these insane fees to market stuff.
When I got involved in energy therapy, I didn’t have any desire. I don’t know anything about it. I’m not a doctor. I don’t play one on TV. I’m a rocket scientist. My dog couldn’t come up the stairs one day. We took her to the vet and she had arthritis in her spine. A friend of mine who’s a veterinarian goes, “There’s this magic machine that puts frequencies and energy out and it can reverse arthritis.” I’m very skeptical. I’m like, “That’s a bunch of BS. It can’t work,” but it’s my dog. I’m like, “I’ll go look into it,” and that’s how it started.
I’ve been studying it for 27 years. I’m fascinated with it. I’m like, “Is this voodoo?” I came to find out NASA’s used it since the 1970s. There’s 35,000 published papers on this technology. Any of your readers can go to PubMed or NIH and type in PEMF. They’re going to learn that there’s tons of stuff. One doctor told me, “Mark, PEMF is not on trial here. It’s been proven. If people don’t believe that, they just have done their homework.” That’s how I got into it.
I saw what it could do for PTSD, which frankly pissed me off that there is a huge success rate but the machines were expensive and are limited. They’re not that many of them and you have to go to a clinical environment to see a doctor to get treated. I was like, “There’s got to be a way to make an affordable portable device that does the same thing. I naively said, “I’ll just take a printed circuit board, a little coil,” and that caught on fire. There is an 8-foot pile of coils over in the corner of the room. I’m trying to make coils that work and all the trade-offs with heat and batteries.
It took a long time to finally get it to work where we needed it. We have it now and its selling well. Again, Zuckerberg has all my money. It costs way more to sell one than it does to make it, which is frustrating but that’s where we’re at. We have like 60 different protocols on there and five of them or brainwave protocols that can be repurposed for 70 other things. It’s as a total of 130 different conditions that it can provide, in the FDAs words, relief from that condition because we can’t treat diagnosis to cure anything but we can provide relief.
For instance, Type 2 diabetics. We’re not treating, diagnosing and curing diabetes. If we’re reducing your insulin shots from 80 units now to 10. You’re not sticking yourself with a needle as much and you’re saving money so it improves your life. If your back pain went from an 8 to a 2, we can get rid of your back pain completely but it’ll help it. All of those different conditions, it can help and prove them. We have a high success rate. It’s not 100%. Nothing is, but it’s North of 90%. That’s pretty cool.
Understanding PEMF: The Science Behind Pulsed Electromagnetic Fields
That’s pretty amazing. For those readers who are new to this, can you break it down? You mentioned PEMF. A lot of people are now aware of PEMF Mats or pulse electromagnetic frequency. I’m familiar with PEMF Mats and things like that. I’ve seen pictures of before and after, how it works in your blood cells and your red blood cells. It expands them and opens them up and breaks them apart so they can absorb oxygen better. Could you explain that a little bit? Why is it getting so much attention?
PEMF is a fancy word for a pulse electromagnetic field. It’s the Earth’s heartbeat. You can pull up an app on your phone and you can see it. The Earth’s putting it out at 7.83 hertz. Magnetic therapy has been around since Hippocrates. He’s the first guy that I know to document it and 3,500 B.C. Magnetic therapy has been around forever. You see loads of stones. They were rocks on the ground that got hit by lightning and that’s what magnetized them. It was discovered about Tesla’s time, turn of the century in the early 1900s that pulse electromagnetic fields are much more therapeutic than a static magnet.
Pulsed electromagnetic fields are the Earth’s heartbeat. Share on XThat’s where it came from. Unfortunately, Rockefeller and Carnegie screwed it up for everyone in the United States because Rockefeller owned all the standard oil. He figured out, “I can make drugs out of oil.” They owned the medical landscape at the time, so they basically said, “If you’re not doing surgery or pharmaceuticals, we’re pulling your funding and your licenses. We’re not giving funding to universities anymore.” In the United States, electrical stimulation or therapy got dropped. Now, it’s been in the last few decades just getting re-energized.
I like to think about energy therapy at the highest level as it can be delivered with electrical current like a ten unit that a lot of people are familiar with, PEMF, a magnetic field, light, vibration or sound. Nothing in the world happens without energy exchange. You don’t breathe oxygen, drive in a car, fall down or hurt yourself. You don’t get sunburned. Nothing happens without an energy exchange. What PEMF is doing is electrical current or sound or whatever, it’s putting energy into the body. How does it work? You get to the mechanism, action and arguments with doctors.
I always push back and say, “You don’t know how aspirin works either. You have a theory but you haven’t proven it.” What we do know and has been proven multiple times is two things. The cells in your body have a voltage on like a car battery. When that voltage gets low, you get sick. If you don’t have a high enough voltage on your cells, you can’t get nutrients into the cell and you can’t get waste products out. It has been shown to increase the voltage at the cell membrane, number one.
Number two, ATP or Adenosine Triphosphate. It’s the number one chemical that your cells use for food and it’s been shown many times to increase ATP by 500%. Those two things at the highest level are increasing the voltage on the cells, recharging your battery and it’s creating more food for the cells so that your body can do what it does best, which is heal itself. Those are the two things that we know are happening. There’s a thousand other things we have theories about but at the highest level, that’s what it’s doing.
VIBE Vs. PEMF Mats: Revolutionizing Portable Healing
Thanks for breaking that down. How does the technology that you’ve created in the Vibe differ from laying on a PEMF Mat for ten minutes?
Affordability and size is the short answer. It’s not $7,000. It’s like $300. It fits in your pocket or you wear it with a lanyard. You don’t have to go to a clinic to lay on the mat. It’s affordability and important ability. Everyone goes, “What’s the difference between this and the mat?” It’s 152 times smaller. It’s one piece instead of seven pieces. It’s affordable and you can carry it in your pocket and take it on an airplane. You can’t do any of that with a mat. The mats are great. Most mats are like a beamer mat. They’re doing a simple sweep.
We have very complex protocols. They’re usually frequency pairs. Think about a chord on a guitar and a protocol is a song. The frequency pairs will change every 1 to 4 minutes. PTSD is the most complex one that we have. They’re all copyrighted, but they’re like 76 different frequency pairs because PTSD is in every part of your body. It’s super complex. That’s what it is. They are songs or symphonies. That’s what’s different most people don’t have. None all have them because they’re all intellectually property protected, but that’s it.
It comes from 8,000 practitioners over 35 years. Picture a band in a garage. They’re jamming and throwing in some cowbells. You find out what works and doesn’t work in the song. That’s exactly what this technology is. It’s trial and error of people trying things and what works for this condition, add this to it, this frequency. It didn’t help or made it worse and you take that frequency out and you put another one in that works better. It’s a lot of trial and error where it comes from or what the specific frequency protocols are.
We get asked all the time, what’s the frequency of it? It’s between 1 and 1,000 hertz but it’s not just the frequency. It’s a song. It’s a symphony. This device is an MP3 player. After I burned them all up and caught him on fire, I dared to meet. I’m not a musician. I wish I was. I wish I could play something but I can’t. I built them all on synthesized music. The protocols are MP3 files. It’s an MP3 player but you don’t hear it because there is no speaker. It has coils instead of a speaker. It’s driving MP3 files through the coil to make the magnetic fields. In a simplest sense, it’s a music player that your ears don’t hear but your body hears.
That’s a helpful description. Basically, you wear this device and for those that are just reading, as you said, it’s about the size of an MP3 player. You just put it in your pocket or wear it around your neck and then it sends that signal throughout your body. You can change those frequencies. Depending on what you’re trying to treat or have relief from, you just pick that song, essentially and it will send those healing frequencies into your body.
You can put it in your pocket or wear it with a lanyard around your neck. For women, I stopped telling them to not put it in the bra because they all do it. Anyway, I don’t know what women do in the bathroom because they get them dropped in the toilet all the time. We’ve got to put water resistance stuff on. I don’t know what happened there. Every day, we have somebody that’s like, “What happens if I get it wet?” Quit dropping it in the toilet.
The magnetic field itself is just physics. Magnetic fields do not travel very far, but you get full body coverage like a mat. This is a misconception. I got to lay on a mat to get full body coverage. You don’t, because it’s three things. It’s resonating with the water in your body. We believe this because it works if you’re not hydrated but not as well. From a physics point of view, you can’t explain how you put it in your top pocket and it helps a broken foot because the magnetic field can’t reach that far. It’s resonating with the water in your body.
Magnetic fields do not travel very far, but you get full body coverage. Share on XIf I remember from school in science, alternating magnetic fields makes alternating electrical current and vice versa. It’s Faraday’s Law. It’s putting out a very low electrical current, which you can’t feel but your body is conducted in your skin. It’s 200,000 ohms resistance but it’s still conducted. It’s traveling that way as well. It’s through electrical current that you can’t feel and then magnetite. This a third and new discovery relatively.
Magnetite is this magic element that is in turtles and birds that we believe they use for migration. They figure out what the North Pole is at. It’s been relatively discovered that humans have magnetite as well in our cells. If we have magnetite, that would allow the magnetic field to transfer through the whole body, even though the magnetic field itself isn’t traveling that far. It’s those three things that give you full body coverage with just a small device in your pocket. It’s pretty amazing. It’s magical but it works.
Optimizing Your VIBE: Protocol Duration And Usage Tips
It seems magical. How long is a protocol then? How long do I use the device for at a time?
They’re all different. The average is about 40 minutes. The shortest is 30 minutes. PTSD is going to be the longest of two and a half hours. We tell people to use it 3 to 4 times a week for 30 days. If you don’t see results by then, you got the wrong protocol, you misdiagnose yourself or it’s just not going to work for you for whatever reason. We’re not controlling people in their homes and stuff. What happens is, most people that come to this technology are in long-term chronic pain physically or mentally and nothing else has worked for them.
Zach, when they get a hold of this and it does work for them and nothing else has for many years. I can’t stop them from running it five times a day. It’s not going to hurt them. It might make them tired if they use it ten times a day for some people. We have people that bought multiple ones that are strapped into them because they don’t want to take the test. They could care less about it. How much can I cut back and not have to feel the pain anymore?
They just don’t want to feel pain anymore because it’s so easy to use. You just turn it on and put it in your pocket. You forget it, it’s there. Usually, when I’m running protocol. I went to grab my cell phone and I realized it’s not my cell phone. I go, “I was running a protocol.” I didn’t even know it was in my pocket because I forgot. To answer your question, 40 minutes is the average, 30 to two and a half hours.
Three to four times a week is all it is required.
Three to four times a week for a month. That’s the good news. You’re going to know in 30 days if it’s working or not. That’s it. This is not a twelve-month experiment. You’re going to know.
Depending on your ailment or what you’re struggling with, try it out 3 to 4 times a week for 30 days and you’re going to most likely have some significant relief.
This is a weird phenomenon but I’ve spent a lot of time on it. One thing that’s important there is that people will forget how bad they felt 30 days earlier. Do your own self-reporting, keep your own diary or stuff if you can like watches like FitBits or those things that you can measure biomarkers, heart rate, variability, and sleep. Sleep is probably the best indicator of all. How much sleep do you get? You must be in less pain and less stressed and anxiety and all that stuff. Those are all good biomarkers.
One of the best litmus tests in the world is to ask your spouse, your family and your friends if you’re different. We have so many case studies where it’s like, “The reason we invited you to the barbecue and didn’t last year is because your attitudes change. You’re not a jerk to be around anymore.” We have tons of people that were getting divorced and now they’re not. For kids, they’re like, “I’m hanging out with my dad and I never liked my dad until now.”
There’s a ton of litmus tests and things like that. We get this all the time. School teachers will call the parents and go, “What medication did you change Johnny to because he’s paying attention now?” “We didn’t change his meds. We ran into ADHD on this whole thing.” You get a lot of that which is interesting stuff. We get tons of feedback from people and some of them are surprised. It’s doing some things that we never designed them for.
I did not even know an Apple watch could measure AFib. We’ve had three people with the Vega Vibe tell me their AFib has gone from 95% to 2%. We’re running a study with cardiologists. Let’s go test this and get it documented so we can make a structured functional claim, which is the right term for the FDA. We can’t make a claim. I said structured functional claims that it did this. There’s some cool exciting stuff or feedback we’ll get from customers where they figured out on their own. I had three doctors go, “This thing’s kicking butt for MS.” I go, “Multiple sclerosis?” They go, “Yes.” I go, “I don’t have an MS protocol.” They go, “It’s nerve related, so you run in fibromyalgia and all three of them.”
A lady called me and she goes, “The doctors don’t know what this is. Every two weeks, I’ve scratched on and bleeding on my arms. It itches that bad. What is it? The doctor doesn’t know.” I’m like, “It sounds like an allergic reaction.” It’s generally inflammation, which is 80% of all ailments and run allergy and it went away. We now know what it is. We probably get 400 or 500 emails a day of questions like that. What do you do for this? I’m like, “Here’s an educated guess.” Sometimes, it’s very obvious. What do I do for sleep? Run the sleep protocol.
Most of them are obvious and some are not. You just make a bridge from, is it toxicity? Run liver protocol. Is it inflammation? Most diseases I mentioned are inflammation of the whatever, of your ear or esophagus or your knee and then back pain and neck pain. All those types of things. The book I just finished writing is called Go Find Joy. It’s about anxiety and how this technology can dissolve it. Anxiety is the number one ailment in all people and pets across the globe. In every country that is the number one ailment, anxiety.
Anxiety is the number one ailment in people and pets across the globe. Share on XNobody in the world has not had anxiety at some point. You have to anticipate if something is coming up. You got a wedding or a presentation you got to get to or bosses. That type of thing. Everyone’s got anxiety. That’s why I concentrated on it with a new book to try and explain to people you don’t have to live with it. We’ve got clinical data that says this works.
Addressing Common Ailments: PTSD, Anxiety, Sleep, And More
You’re covering some of the things that people are using this for. I know there’s 130, so we can’t get to all of those but besides the ones you mentioned. Anxiety is number one and most common. What are the things that you find your customers are buying this for? What stories can you tell us about that?
As I mentioned earlier, trauma is the number one thing I went after because I saw the 44 suicides, 22 Military veterans, 15 First Responders, 5 medical workers and 2 active duty. That’s not counting any civilians. We have the largest PTSD PEMF study in the world and we have a 98% success rate. Nobody believes that number but all the data is there. It’s statistically significant. It’s huge. That is the main reason I built the thing.
PTSD, anxiety, and sleep as we already mentioned. Also, back pain and neck pain. Everyone that’s over 15 has got that in some sense. Also, sleep and Type 2 diabetes and lowering blood sugar. Those are probably the most common ones. There’s other ones, too. It’s always interesting because here’s how wholesalers act. I’m trying to grow the wholesale business. We sell them 10 packs or 100 packs. This scenario plays out every week.
Somebody walks into the doctor’s office and the doctor goes, “Your A1C is 5.2. It’s never been below eight. You finally changed your diet, started exercising and doing something.” They go, “No. I started using this,” and the doctor snatches out the hand and goes, “What the hell is this?” They call me and I have this conversation. They go, “That can’t work.” I go, “Buy one and try it.” We used to get like 1 or 2 wholesalers every three months. I get 3 or 4 a day now, which is the fastest part of our business. It’s from our customers going and talking to their doctor because the doctors aren’t trained on this.
They’re continued education is in a resort somewhere by a drug company that’s telling them what the new drug is. Not alternative therapies and they’re all scared of the American Medical Association. “I’m going to do exactly what they say.” It’s sad. My pet peeve personally is cholesterol and blood pressure. I can not talk to anyone about that research. I went to my doctor and said, “Please read this research. I summarized it for you.” She turned her head, Zach and said, “I’m not going to look at that. I don’t want to read it. I’m only going to do what the American Medical Association recommends.”
Unfortunately, that’s the mindset of too many physicians. We got a lot more of them that are changing their tune that are starting to look at this stuff because just like the patients. Whatever they were trying didn’t help them. You all know from the 6:00 news, the drug companies have owned the commercials. You don’t even know what the drug is for at the end of the commercial because of all the side effects like anal bleeding, death, heart attacks or whatever. It’s like, “What was this even for?” You can’t even remember the beginning.
The drug companies own the airways and the news. More people learn about it every day, Zach. Again, there is a man on the street with a microphone. About 1 out of 15 and 1 out of 20 will know what it is. They’ll know what a beamer mat is. In the horse world, 100% of people know what it is. They all know what a magna wave is. They’ve all seen it. The horse has been treated by the veterinarian or another horse in their stall stable area has seen it. They know what it is.
My mom’s in the horse world and she’s well aware of all of these types of therapies for horses over the years. It’s interesting. When I bring stuff up to her, she’s like, “We used it on my horse ten years ago.” You can try things there that you can’t try in other places as easily. I’m curious about your own personal use. Tell me about some of the things. What are you using this for personally on a day in and a day out basis?
My number one thing I use it for is sleep. In my entire life, I’ve had bad dreams of people trying to kill me. I’m running guns or knives. When I run this, you’re able to laugh. I get Halle Berry instead of guns and knives.
That’s a much better sleep.
It’s a much better dream. It’s a pleasant dream. Some of my friends freak out when I show them the amount of sleep that I get now. On average, nine hours a night. Sometimes, I get eleven but I get around nine. I have friends that get two hours a night. I’ve given more way to my friends. Here’s the number one reason it won’t work, Zack, is you didn’t use the damn thing. I want to kill one of my friends. He calls me from the airport a few months ago and he goes, “Are you serious with this thing because I haven’t breathed this well since I was fifteen years old?” He’s 58 or 59.
I go, “What? You idiot. Are you just now using it for the first time I gave it to you months ago?” He goes, “Yes, I used it for the first time.” It won’t work if you don’t use it. Again, we said 3 or 4 times a week for 30 days. A lot of times, people will see a reaction immediately. The only warning is if you’re in severe pain, the first time you use it, don’t be driving a car or operating a machine or a catapult. It can make you feel drunk or stoned.
Now, this is being measured of what’s happening. When that twenty-year pain is gone instantly, your endorphins or your system goes, “We’re having a party.” It pumps the endorphins all through your blood and you get to runner’s high and you’re stoned. I had a young woman in a car wreck. She started back pedaling and snapped my chair because I’m seeing double vision. I’m like, “Let’s turn the power down a little bit.” It’s not common but that is something that can happen the first time you use it.
The good news is, you don’t have to be driving the car. You can just sit there and watch TV or whatever. Most people don’t have that reaction to it. Again, a lot of people like asthma. You’ll see people just immediately start. A quote from one customer was like, “It’s like I used my inhaler instantly. It changed it right there.” Sometimes, it’s going to take longer. If it’s arthritis, that’s one that’s probably not going to see instantly but you will notice a difference in 30 days.
Personally, for sleep, do you just run this for 30 minutes before you go to bed?
The sleep protocol is 46 minutes long. I used to put it under my pillow but you want as close to the body as you can get. If you have tile floors like I do and you knock it on the ground. You might crack it. I found it’s way better to just run that an hour before bed. If you have time, run the brainwave delta. Delta is going to be the lowest frequency, which is what your brain is experiencing when you’re in deep sleep in REM. You are going to be 1 hertz to 4 hertz range. That’s what I do. I run sleep. If I have time, for fifteen minutes, I’ll run delta before I go to bed.
Safety And Efficacy: What To Know About PEMF Therapy
You get your 9 to 11 hours of deep and REM sleep and feeling good. You mentioned a few things too. I just wanted to clarify too or bring up. There’s no side effects. There’s no adverse side effects other than you might feel so good that your body pumps endorphins. As far as adverse side effects long term, there’s no risk involved.
There’s not. A couple things will be mentioned here. Thank you for bringing it up. The entire industry is going to say and I have to say it too, don’t use it if you have a pacemaker or insulin pump. If you have some electronics inside of you, don’t use them. Hip replacements, knee replacements, metal parts or stints are fine. It’s only if it has a printed circuit board and a battery. It never has, but it could possibly affect that. If you’re pregnant, we just tell everyone not to use it because there’s no known problems but the first deformed babies are going to blame it on that technology.
If you use it way too much, it can make you feel a little bit tired. The only side effect that we’ve gotten is it makes you feel sick, it probably means you have an infection somewhere. An impacted tooth or infection you don’t know. Go get a blood test or whatever. The theory is, it’s reducing inflammation so that poison or whatever can get out a little bit. The other one we hope we have the formula figured out but Lyme disease.
People say, “What do you have for Lyme disease?” I go, “Nothing.” I don’t have one. After our 200 people ask you that, Zack and you get on Facebook calls and you see these people. They’re faced with that Lyme for ten years, they’d rather be dead. It’s that awful and they don’t have a solution for it. I did a bunch of research and found out delta 1 to 4 hertz will kill the Lyme bacteria. The doctor told me, “Be cautious because hermits a reaction.” Lyme is very clever. It disguises itself as other things, so you can misdiagnose it all the time.
When you kill it, it spits poison. Our first study we did, it worked but everyone got sick. All of them 100% and they quit using it because it made them sick. I said, “Time out. Let’s regroup with three huddles here.” I run it on power level five instead of ten, then run the liver toxicity to get the toxins out of you and then run the vagus nerve to reset your body.
Amp up 5 to 6 to 7 to 8 and get it back to 10. That’s what everyone’s doing now and it’s working for the vast majority of people. There’s things like that, special cases like Lyme disease that if you just jump in there and it may make you sick because the bacteria is fighting back. For the most part, there’s no side effects to it.
What if you do have a bacterial infection or cold or something like that? Can this treat those kinds of things too?
If it’s making you feel sick or it’s making you feel bad for periods, stop using it. Try and figure it out. Go to your doctor or whatever. Stop using it. Don’t continue to hurt yourself. I have another story that we won’t dive into on that one where a lady had a magnet inside of her. A static magnet in her vagina and was running this. She kept going, “It’s shaking the hell out of my body.” I’m like, “What?” She sent me like twenty emails and all of a sudden, I went down. I was like, “You have a static magnet in your vagina? Why?” She goes, “It’s for blood flow. My doctor prescribed it.” I go, “Stop. That’s going to shake the hell out of your body.” She pulled it out then she goes, “This is way better.”
You get weird things like that sometimes but it’s not many side effects at all. We have almost none reported. Once in a while, anxiety. If somebody has severe anxiety and they run anxiety. It makes them feel worse. Maybe because it’s something new. We tell them, “We’ll switch over to relax and balance our vagus nerve.” That’s most of the side effects. That’s what the industry is going to say. Don’t use it with pregnancy, but rest of it, it’s a free for all.
PEMF For All Ages: Kids, Cognitive Health, And Beyond
This can work if you’re 1 year old or 99 years old. You can use it for kids for ADHD, anxiety, and asthma and for anything, I’m assuming.
There’s no age limit to it. It works for everyone.
What about cognitive issues in older adults? If they’re having some cognitive decline or mental cognitive impairments or things like that, do you see any? I know you can’t make claims, but anecdotally. Do you have protocols for these kinds of things?
We do. We have one for Alzheimer’s. We have one for brain balancing and brain fog. Those are all standard ones that we have. What popped in my mind when you asked that was, it’s funny. This guy calls me up and he’s an older man. He’s older than me and he goes, “Mark, I use your little gizmo on my wife. She hasn’t been able to complete acenex for two years. Now, she’s hanging out with her friends and talking again.” I go, “That’s your energy level that your wife can now speak again. Do you not want her to talk?” It was weird.
If this doesn’t raise the hair on your arms, you’re not human because this is my favorite story. A seventeen-year-old girl told me, “Mark, I’ll never have a date in my life because I have Tourette. All the boys at school hate me and they think I’m a monster. It’s awful. I get bullied all the time. I ran the brain balancing protocol and my Tourette disappeared and I have a date Saturday night.” She ended up marrying the guy a couple years later. I never told her to run brain balance and she never asked.
She just went, “I’m going to try that.” It’s like the allergy thing. Is there stuff that it does or AFib and things that we still haven’t? There’s all kinds of new discoveries of stuff it’s going to do and we don’t even know it. It’s putting energy in your body so your body can fix itself like we covered earlier. I said it is magical. I wrote an article for all the Facebook haters because I have so many of them. It’s ridiculous. I get death threats all the time. I don’t blame them.
I wrote an article called Liar, liar, pants on fire. Here’s the top scams of all time, DNA sequencing, CRISPR, antibiotics and MRI. Think of all the technology that’s positively impossible until it’s not. An MRI in Mark’s opinion is the most magical thing a human being has invented. It has five levels of magic in it that are completely impossible but yet we do a million of them a year. Nobody’s doubting the picture of your heart. It’s the end result.
It comes out as a picture but there’s five levels of magic that can’t happen, but it does. Nobody would know what that was on the Mayflower. It’s all this stuff that it’s impossible until it’s not and that’s where we’re at. PMEF is been a while. It’s starting to get more mainstream. It’d be a huge difference in 5 to 10 years, how many people are using it.
The Future Of Wellness: Wearables, Smart Tech, And AI In Healing
I’d love to just shift gears for a few minutes. You have a unique perspective. What’s on the horizon for both your company because you mentioned some of these things when we’re getting to know each other here. Even just within your company, I’d love to hear about some of those breakthroughs that are coming through. Even by the time this episode airs, there’ll be some new things that your company is offering. Can you tell us about some of those? Also, when you look out 5 to 10 years from now, what are you most excited about on the horizon in the future?
The Vibe is our flagship product and it’s again, for people and pets, so horses and dogs, and the Vega Vine. I made this as simple as you could. It’s alphabetical. You scroll, hit play and put it in your pocket. The Vega Vine is even simpler. It has one button, It can’t do anything else. You start it on and wear it as a piece of the necklace. That’s it. As I mentioned before the show, we have a watch coming out so we can measure heart rate variability, blood pressure, blood sugar, sleep, stress and a whole bunch of things. You can get confirmation of what it’s doing.
We have an anti-wrinkle system that we just filed the patent for. You can infuse the frequencies anti-aging and anti-wrinkle into the product. We have a quadruple peptide anti-wrinkle cream that will be energized with the Vibe. That patent just got filed. I’ll get in trouble for this but we have this that will come out after we’re done testing. This will be for Alzheimer’s. It’s PEMF and light at the same time. It’ll go on the inside of your wrist or the back of your neck.
When you need to be hydrated, we cover that earlier. The key thing on electrolytes is to have magnesium for sure. It helps. We have what’s called a PEMF booster. It’s electrolyte like a liquid IV. It owns 80% of the market, so we’re going to try and challenge those guys for the PEMF world. That’s coming out with a powder. My dream is to put myself out of business. I put a reward out of $25,000 and nobody figured it out.
Your phone has a cheek coil in it that you put up on a magnetic thing and it puts energy into your phone to charge the battery. As I said earlier, they’re MP3 files. If somebody could hack the OS on the phone to run the energy out of the coil instead of putting energy in that charges the battery. I could turn every phone into a therapy device with an app. That is my dream. Nobody’s figured it out. I’m not an electrical engineer. I haven’t figured it out. If anyone’s listening and wants $25,000. Go figure that out.
I ran it out on Facebook and everyone says it’s impossible. That’s one. It’s not possible. It’s just we haven’t figured out yet. It’s like all the magic we just talked about. The second one is smart bulbs that most people have in their homes or a lot of people. Imagine this, “Alexa, run Alzheimer’s in the living room.” You’re running it through the lights. Now, Zach, I would already have that technology if somebody at Phillips would call me back, which nobody will.
When you turn a light switch on, it doesn’t come on. It delays about 100 milliseconds because they don’t want to shock your eyes and your system. You can’t consciously see it but when you turn on a light, it ramps up slowly-ish, a tenth of a second or something. I need to be able to turn it off 1,000 times a second to get up to 1,000 hertz. I’ve tried to get around the bridge. We tried to program stuff and we couldn’t get past the router box. It doesn’t allow us to do that.
All my friends go, “Make your own light bulb.” I can, but that defeats the purpose of using all the lights that already exist. Those would be two cool things, turn all cell phones into therapy devices and take smart bulbs and turn those into therapy devices without doing anything. We could put it in the cloud that Alexa knows what the protocols are. I can just upload all the protocols into a cloud and tell Alexa go run depression or go run Alzheimer’s. That is something I’m still dreaming about doing.
It’s amazing and fascinating to think about a future in which whatever you’re feeling on that day or whatever ailment you might have. You just tell Alexa or Siri, run this protocol and then it’s there. It’s in our environment already.
Here’s the next logical step. You don’t tell Alexa anything. That’s going to tell it.
You’re watch.
Your heart rate variable is on where the vagus nerve is out of tone or you’re not getting enough sleep or your stress levels blah, blah, so I’m going to run relax. This also measures stress. It could just go into the cloud and go, “This stage that I have right here, run anxiety.” You have a presentation coming up and you watch it and say you’re stressed and you didn’t actively do anything.
Our wearables are monitoring our HRV and other things that are happening within our bodies. They’re communicating to whatever the light on my screen here or the lights above me or my phone that’s in my pocket. It’s amazing that it’s all going to be connected.
You just reminded me, though, of one other future thing I wanted to do that everyone tells me it’s impossible. What do most people do in half the time of their life? We’re staring at the phone. Flicker the light on the phone at the frequency. As you’re scrolling through Facebook or you’re going through your phone , it’s in your face. You’re getting the therapy through the phone from the light but nobody can hack. the screen either is what they’re telling me but I know it’s possible. There has to be a way, because your eyes can’t see anything more than 50 to 60 hertz.
The lights in your house, the lights that we have on, there’s 60 hertz. If you’re very tired or you’re a little autistic and you could see it flicker. Most people can’t see over 40 hertz. I could flicker this at 800 hertz and you’re not going to notice it but your body is. When people think about voodoo, where this came from. R&D stands for research and development, but it also stands for rob and duplicate. I’m stealing this from MIT.
MIT discovered 40 hertz reverses Alzheimer’s by accident, a complete access. They were doing a completely different study with rats in a box with a rope light. It was flickering at 40 hertz and then doing biopsy in the brain and stuff. They’re seeing the plaques gone and they notice the mice are acting more cognitive. That’s been out for about ten years or so. There are some products that are already out there like Beacon40 and some other ones that are doing that.
MIT accidentally discovered 40 Hertz reverses Alzheimer's. Share on XI’m using so much AI, Zach. I didn’t even use any of it in 2024, and I use it so much for marketing. I told him, “MIT, I know they didn’t use a certain light frequency or temperature. They just use a rope light, so I’m going to build this. Do I use red lights?” They go, “No, use blue. Would you like to tell you the part number so you don’t have to go design your own light?” “I would.” That’s what those blue lights are right there. It told me, “Here’s a part number where you go to buy.” Why is blue better and white? It gave me this whole documentary thing of why. AI is crazy what we’re doing with it.
I know you can’t make these claims but what you’re saying is there’s a way to potentially reverse things that have already happened within our body’s like Alzheimer’s like the black build up.
That one particularly because you write on the coattails of MIT. Most people are going to believe what they say. Go type in MIT, Alzheimer’s 40 hertz and you’ll find all kinds of documentation on it. They’re doing human trials. They have it for a few years.
Measuring Progress: Biomarkers, HRV, And AI Analysis
Can you tell us a little bit more about the carrier watch because that’s pretty amazing, too. A lot of people have wearables. I have my Garmin wearable that tracks my HRV, my sleep and things like that but it doesn’t track some of the things that you just mentioned with the watch that’s coming out here.
It’s going to have sleep and stress, HRV or heart rate variability and the correct one, SDNN. Heart rate variability is the best biomarker to measure in general. If you had to measure one thing, it’s going to be heart rate variability. For most people that aren’t familiar with it, you want your heart rate to come down. your heart rate variability, you want to go up. The heart rate variability is a distance between the heartbeats and how much it varies. That is your best indicator of a balanced nervous system fight and flight.
Heart rate variability is the best indicator of a balanced nervous system. Share on XThings like Fitbit have heart rate ability, usually embedded in stress or they only measure it at night while you’re sleeping. We extracted heart rate variability out as its own independent measurement. You can measure it by just tapping it. The other ones that’s very cool are blood sugar without pricking your finger or continuous glucose monitor and blood pressure without putting a cuff on your arm. Those ones, stress, calories burns, steps, and all the things that are on a fitness tracker. The primary ones are going to be heart rate variability, blood sugar, blood pressure, stress and sleep.
Now, what’s cool is if the customer chooses to, it’s going to upload it to the cloud, and we’re going to be able to use it. We just talked about AI. I’m going to use Amazon’s AWS HIPAA compliant AI to do before and after analysis and long term. Your Fitbits is only holding the data for a week. We’ll be able to track it forever and do analysis. This is cool with AI. I’ll give another good example.
I need to make a report for 15,000 to 20,000 people. What should I do? You use this. It costs $45,000 a month. It’s pretty pricey and then it said, “Do you need to be dynamic or you just need a PDF for each person?” I said, “I just need a PDF for each person.” It said, “That’s $450 a month and not $45,000. Use this solution.” I like plan B better. That’s where we’re getting ready to. We’re testing all that.
It’s pretty amazing that you can test someone’s blood glucose continuously. Rather than having to wear the continuous glucose monitor, I can see what foods spiked me and what drives me. It’s testing my HRV throughout the day so I can see what activities are helping me and what are more stressful to my body, my blood pressure and heart rate. All of those things are built in. I’m just thinking of all the applications of just the watch. You can also see when I use the Vibe, the short term and long-term results are right there. It’s just in real time.
I made a huge mistake where I assumed that people with PTSD would have high quarters all because of stress. They don’t. Most people with PTSD and dogs as well, have a very low cortisol already. That may be part of why they’re susceptible to PTSD. We’re not sure, but I ran this huge study on cortisol and realized, “You’re an idiot because you’re measuring the wrong thing.” The veteran administration goes, “No, you use heart rate variability.” That is the number one indicator to whether PTSD is improved or not. Heart rate variability, as we already mentioned, is tied to so many different things. It’s cool.
That’s going to be fun. We’re going to learn stuff. I’m excited about, as I said, AFib is my best friend since grade school. I gave one of these Vega Vibe things. Start wearing this every single day and let’s start measuring that. That would be the cool thing you can measure. My wife’s like, “What if it backfires and it shows it didn’t work and they return to stuff?” Fine. I don’t want them to have it if it doesn’t work.
This is amazing. When is the Alzheimer’s or brain device coming out?
I have to find a lab first, and I’ll throw this invitation out there. Any Alzheimer’s research center that wants to do this, I’ll supply all of it and the blood tests and do anything. I got to study. I don’t want to offend doctors, but I’m going to. Doctors are awful at doing these studies. They never finish them. I have sleep studies that are 30 days long and they’re three years old. I don’t have the data still the same with blood sugars.
A lot of these studies, I got to go do myself because of their doctors. They don’t follow up and they don’t finish these things. I have to find a place. All the Facebook haters will murder me if I say anything about Alzheimer’s with data that has a P-factor below .05, statistically significant. I can’t answer you, Zach because that’s on my to-do stuff over here. That’s like number two, go find a lab to help run the data.
It needs to be a third party independent, so March is not in there with the finger in it messing it up. I need somebody else to go do it so somebody can stand behind it that’s credible. When I get that data, then we’ll have it and we don’t need a ton. Here’s a misconception. I go, “How many people do you think are in the average NIH study?” People go, “2,000.” It’s seventeen. Most studies are very small. It’s the before and after effect.
Arbitrarily pick a number. If the before is 89 and it goes or 88, 89, 88, 89, or 80. I need 1,000 people to show it is significant. If they go from 80 to 2 or 78 to 4, you only need a couple dozen to show it’s statistically significant. The math doesn’t lie. They don’t have to be large studies to go do that. You just have to prove the P-factor and that’s only in the medical world. They’re the only people who use statistics backwards.
The math doesn't lie, so studies don't have to be large. You just have to prove the P factor. Share on XEveryone else in the statistics course will say, “There’s a 95% probability of this happening with 90% confidence.” That’s what everyone uses. The medical world reverses it because they think they’re special. I don’t know. They say 5% or less, means there’s less than a 5% chance that this happened due to chance alone and not the intervention. The gold standard is 5%. The key factor is .05. If it’s below that, then it’s statistically significant. Our PTSD, the last time I measured it, is .00000007. I stopped measuring it because now it’s just bragging if I keep adding more zeros, so I stopped doing it. We need something similar for that price before we can market it.
Innovative Products: PEMF Creams And Advanced Monitoring Devices
Let’s make that happen. One last question. With the creams that are coming out as well, I’m assuming that works in conjunction with the Vibe. You use the Vibe to transfer the frequencies into the cream and then you put it on?
Exactly. It’s going to be like the coils are right here, the cream just going to sit like that. You run the anti-aging protocol that’s already on there, which I don’t remember how long it is. It’s probably 40 minutes or something. We’re saying, anecdotally, because you can’t measure energy and cream and water. Water will hold it for about six hours. You can put it into water and drink it. The cream will hold it for about 30 days, but we’re not telling people to recharge it once a week or whatever because you’re just sitting there at night. That’ll be exciting.
As I said, I told a dermatologist who’s doing the research for me. I said, “I want to show that Cindy Crawford’s a liar. She’s just doing before and after pictures and photoshop and they’re using lighting. I want to be able to prove it changed wrinkles. How do we do that?” He goes, “You use such and such.” I go, “What is that?” He looked at me like a dumb rocket scientist. It’s a mini biopsy. I’m like, “What is it measuring?” He goes, “Collagen and twelve other things.” I know what collagen is but I didn’t know what the other twelve things were. I go, “You sound like the right guy to go run this study.” He’s the guy that’s going to run it for us, and we’re going to physically measure if it changes.
Where can people find all of these products? How much can people expect to pay for these? You mentioned like $300 or $350 before for the buyer.
The website is Resona Health. It’s short for resonance. The website is Resona.Health. The Vibe retails for $399. We have it on sale for $299. We have a two-pack, which is our biggest seller for $498. If people go, “Does it not work? Why would anyone need two?” I’m like, “The reason you need to is somebody’s going to borrow it and you’re not going to get it back.” It might be your spouse, your kids, or your neighbor or you’re going to loan it to somebody. The two packs are one of our best sellers for that reason. People are going to borrow it.
My wife then says when I started the company, “It’s not a consumable product. How are you going to make money?” “We’ll find out,” and that’s the answer. I have one guy that bought twelve of them. He’s an ex race car driver who had four concussions. He’s been on fire twice and he was taking eight ambient nights for twenty years. Now he’s on no drugs at all. He has a strap all over. His name is Mark. I’m like, “Mark, you don’t need to do that.” He’s like, “Shut up. I’m going to do whatever I want to do because I feel good now.” I can’t stop people from doing it.
It’s Resona.Health and they can find everything there. The new products that are coming out will be added there soon as well. Maybe even by the time this episode airs, the watch will be out for sure.
The watch and the cream should both be out.
This is so fascinating, Mark. I just want to say thank you for the way that you’ve applied your gifts and talents to transform and impact people’s lives. This can have such a far reaching impact. Thank you so much for what you’re doing.
Thank you for those kind words. I appreciate it. Thanks for me on the show.
Let’s get this message out and get some more people to get involved. As you said, there’s so much more that this could launch into. Thank you so much for being here.
Thank you again for having me.
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I hope you were excited as I was after that conversation with Mark Fox. I learned so much. I never knew that this technology existed. I knew about Paul’s electromagnetic frequency or PEMF mats, but I didn’t know about the Vibe. I’m excited to try this out for myself and my family members. There’s also the Vega Vibe pendant which stimulates your vagus nerve and the new watch that’s coming out that tracks your blood glucose as well as your blood pressure, your HRV, and all of those things.
That’s going to be nice to see how we can track that without having to poke ourselves and this new device that’s coming out that potentially makes a significant difference with things like Alzheimer’s. A lot on the horizon. It was fun to imagine with him, the future of our wearables and wearable technology transmitting to the cloud, how we’re doing based on our biomarkers and then the lights in our rooms or even our phones can send out these signals that could relieve those things in real time.
I hope that you’re excited about that. We talked about some of the things. There’s 130 different protocols on the Vibe. The cream now that’s coming out. You can transfer the energy into a cream. It lasts for about 30 days at a time. That can treat our skin and wrinkles and things like that as well. Mark’s new book is called Go Find Joy. You can find the Vibe and other products that even as this episode comes out, will probably be available by then at Resona.Health. Check that out and check out the Vibe. Check out Mark’s new book as well. Thanks so much for tuning in. Until next time.
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