If you can get rid of inflammation in your body, you are making the right step to achieve healing from chronic diseases. Danielle Forsgren is here to present a medical breakthrough device that can make this way more convenient: AVACEN. She joins Zach Gurick to discuss how this noninvasive, drug-free, over-the-counter heat therapy system can provide temporary relief from different kinds of pain and vastly improve blood flow through the microcapillaries. Danielle also shares how AVACEN started as an experimental device to help her sister deal with chronic migraine, and how it was scaled to change countless lives across the world.

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A Must-Use Medical Breakthrough Device With Danielle Forsgren

Welcome back to Fully Alive, the show where we explore the secrets to living healthier, happier, and longer lives. We’re joined by Danielle Forsgren, co-founder of AVACEN Medical, a groundbreaking technology that’s changing the way we think about pain, inflammation, and preventative care. This story is both personal and powerful. Danielle’s husband, Tom, originally invented the AVACEN device to help her sister, who is suffering from debilitating migraines.

What started as a family mission of hope has grown into a global movement with over 30 million treatments delivered worldwide, twenty patents, and not a single reported adverse reaction in seventeen years. AVACEN has now been studied for conditions like fibromyalgia and is being used across many different fields, from chronic pain to memory care, where Danielle’s own father-in-law experienced remarkable improvements. You’ll read that story later.

At its core, AVACEN is about more than just symptom relief. It’s about addressing inflammation at the root cause, supporting longevity, and helping people live life fully alive. In our conversation, Danielle shares the inspiring origin story of AVACEN, the science behind why it works, and how it’s transforming lives every single day. Whether you’re curious about cutting-edge wellness technology, looking for natural ways to reduce pain and inflammation, or simply passionate about healthy longevity, then this is an episode you won’t want to miss. Let’s dive into my conversation with Danielle.

 

 

Danielle, thank you so much for being on the show. I’ve been looking forward to this conversation. I’m so fascinated by the AVACEN medical device and the amazing work that you and your husband have been doing and are doing. I’m excited to share this amazing technology with the world and with our audience. Thank you so much for being here.

Origin Story Of AVACEN Medical Device

Thank you. We’re honored to be here. This has been a seventeen-and-a-half-year-old journey. We’ve been doing this for a very long time. It all started with my husband trying to help my older sister, who had had 25 years of chronic migraines. She had 20 to 25 a month. She lived in a dark room and was hungry all the time, and a lot of medication. Tom was working with some scientists at Stanford. They had a device for cooling. Tom was doing research outside of that. He is notorious for his Google research.

I call him Dr. Google. Now I’m calling him Dr. Chat GPT because that’s what he’s all into. There was a Google alert. There was a doctor in Florida who was using T3 and T4 hormones to help his patients with different autoimmune conditions. All of his patients who were migraine sufferers, because he was raising their body core temperature to normal thermia or a little bit above, none of them were getting migraines anymore. His brain goes, “What if we do a device for warming instead of cooling?” The scientists are like, “Tom, don’t be stupid. Everybody knows migraines like it cold.”

Guess what? They don’t. It’s like putting a cold pack on your knee for an injury. It gets rid of the pain, but it doesn’t get rid of the inflammation. It’s actually heat that helps with the inflammation. Fast forward, we are thinking we’re going to cure the world of migraines after we took her a prototype. She put her hand in. She walked out of her bedroom because I was never allowed to talk or see my sister when she had a migraine. I never knew how bad it was. It was really bad.

Putting a cold pack only eases the pain, but it does not get rid of the inflammation.

Just so your readers know, we are not cleared for migraines. I’m just telling the story of how we started this seventeen-and-a-half-year-old journey. She walked out. She was like death gray. She was so gray. She was on day three of her migraine and not eating. We sat her down. We put her hand in there. We had absolutely no idea what our protocol was because she’s patient number one, but we felt pretty safe because my brother-in-law was a doctor. He was a cancer specialist. We thought we were in good hands.

After about nine minutes, she went from ash and gray to her face pinked up. We’re like, “Something just happened.” We asked her the question, “How do you feel?” She said, “I still have a little bit of a migraine, but I’m hungry. I don’t think I’m going to have to take my pain meds.” That was it. That was the biggest miracle ever. My brother-in-law got out his checkbook and said, “How much do you want for this thing?”

Tom was like, “No, this is a prototype from Stanford. You can’t have it because you would have to tell those doctors at Stanford that it was stolen out of the back of the car.” He had to leave it there for a couple of weeks. The long and the short of it is that in a month and a half, through our device, we helped her body get to normal thermia because she was always very cold. She had Raynaud’s because she had such poor circulation. We helped her body go back to its normal thermo temperature. By doing that, we got rid of her migraines.

What Is AVACEN And How It Works

That’s amazing. I always love hearing these origin stories and how things came about, because it’s usually something within your own life, a family, a loved one, and people who are looking for a solution to. It leads to one thing and leads to another. Now, you have this medical breakthrough that has done 30 million treatments in the last several years with the AVACEN. Before I heard about you and learned about you, I had never heard of AVACEN. I’m assuming a lot of our readers have not either, even though there have been 30 million treatments. Can you go into a little detail? What exactly is the AVACEN, and how does it work? It’s a little bigger than it looks on the website.

This is the AVACEN. It looks like a fancy breadbox for those back in the day. It basically is dry heat, a vacuum, and your body’s own natural adaptations. You put a mitt on. You put your hand in there. Tom is really smart when it comes to technology. He’s actually an IT specialist of over four decades. There are 4,000 firmware instructions in there, all giving things like closing this vacuum because we have to create a vacuum.

The reason why we have to create a vacuum is that we distend something called your arteriovenous anastomosis. They’re on the palms of your hands and the bottoms of your feet. Tom chose the hands because they’re closer to your heart. A lot of people who are older do not have the microcirculation or the circulation capacity to treat their feet and help gravity pull the microcirculation up. That’s never going to happen, but it will travel from your hand up to your heart and then disperse head to toe.

The interesting thing is that it takes about ten minutes. We start to infuse this dry heat. People will say, “I can put my hand in a warm bucket of water.” You can do that, but without the vacuum, your body is so smart that it doesn’t like extreme cold or heat. It will vasoconstrict or shut down in less than a minute. What the AVACEN does with that vacuum is it pulls those vessels open, so we can push the dry heat in, so we can do a treatment anywhere from 20 minutes to 60 minutes.

We push that heat into your body. Your blood thins out by less than a degree. When it does that, your hypothalamus kicks in and goes, “This feels good. I haven’t felt like this since you were twenty.” It’s now going to give you more oxygen and nutrients. It’s going to deliver it head to toe, even through the blood-brain barrier. Think of us like acupuncture without the needles.

That’s a good example of a metaphor. You’re opening up the microcirculation in the hand.

We are opening up the AVAs, pushing the heat through. It’s the dry heat of the vacuum in you. We are pushing the heat through using the AVAs. Your blood thins out, and then your body kicks in, going, “This feels good.” If you think about it, as we get older, the sad fact is 80% of us over the age of 40 have compromised microcirculation. It is not your arteries and veins, but your capillaries. It’s all about your 100,000 miles of capillaries head to toe, even through your brain. Wherever you have blood, you have these capillaries.

If the blood isn’t flowing through the capillaries from head to toe, your body starts to get aches and pains. Think of it like a snake shedding its skin. You’ve got to have that blood flow through everything everywhere. If it doesn’t, it recedes. It’s like an empty snake skin without any blood. I know I’m using a lot of analogies, but I’m not a medical girl. I’m actually an ex-theater person. I like to use analogies because there are a lot of non-medical people out there who like those analogies.

Blood is a non-Newtonian liquid like molasses. When you heat molasses, it thins. Your blood does the same thing. We thin out that blood. Your body takes over and starts delivering epic oxygen and nutrients. Eventually, if you use this device at least twice a day, like brushing your teeth, it will start giving you more nutrients and greater oxygen. You’ll sleep better. We put you in the parasympathetic, which is rest, restore, and relax. People who use it get great sleep. Your body will start delivering incredible oxygen. We will start getting rid of inflammation. It’s all about getting rid of the inflammation because inflammation leads to disease.

I’m getting this now. That makes sense. Everything is caused by inflammation. If we can get rid of inflammation, then now you’re treating every chronic disease out there, from brain issues to heart issues to everything. A chronic disease is caused by inflammation at the root, for the most part.

 

 

Other horrible things, like the big C, are inflammation, which grows all sorts of things that you don’t want. We are through the FDA. We knew we had to go through the FDA process because we knew we were not a gadget. It looks like a gadget, but it actually is a medical device. We took six years to do that. We are currently FDA class two cleared for aches, pain, strains, and overall muscular relaxation. That’s a big waterfall for a lot of other things, and then arthritis.

That’s what we’re allowed to talk about. It is difficult because with those 30 million treatments, we have seen and done some amazing things that I wish I could scream from the mountaintops, but I can’t because they’ll come and close us down. It’s hard because everybody on the planet needs an AVACEN. If you have blood and you’re over the age of 40, you need an AVACEN. If you want to live a good life and a well-lived life without any aches and pains on medication, that is where you want to be.

I want to back up a little bit. This is super helpful. In our bodies, 70% of our circulation is microcirculated through the microcapillaries. You said our blood thickens. Oftentimes, the red blood cells get clustered together.

It gets gummed up.

It can’t fit through those microcapillaries. We’re not delivering oxygen to all the different parts of our bodies because the blood isn’t circulating and flowing through there in the way it should be. This device essentially thins the blood so it can fit through those capillaries, bringing oxygen to all those parts of our bodies that aren’t normally getting enough oxygen circulation. That’s how it’s actually working and delivering this. It’s as simple as putting your hand inside the dry heated vacuum for twenty minutes.

Personally, I do up to two hours a day. There’s a reason for that. I do 40 minutes in the morning while I’m sitting, having my cup of tea. I’m watching financial stuff on Varney in the morning to see where we are in the world. I do half an hour after dinner because that helps with your digestion. We did a study at San Diego State. We basically help lower those sugars and can get people off their type 2 diabetic meds. It’s like having an internal 45-minute walk.

I do about an hour at night while I’m binge-watching my latest Netflix. If I’m sitting on the couch, guess what’s happening? My hand is in the device. The interesting thing is that if you do two hours a day, your face can look like it has had a mini facelift in seven days. There you go, ladies. You’re welcome.

You’ve shared your age with me. Are you free to re-go?

I’m 66. I have no medication. Tom is going to be 80. He is on hardly any medication. The doctors are like, “What do you mean you’re not on any medication?” I’m usually handing out business cards.

You look amazing. Your skin is flawless. Obviously, it’s working. This has amazing benefits. It started as a device to treat your sister’s migraines.

We thought, “This is so great. We’re going to cure the world from migraines. There are 85 million migraine sufferers in the US alone.” Our attorneys are like, “That’s awesome, but have you met the FDA?” We’re like, “What’s that? I don’t know.” We were so green. It was absolutely hysterical. We’re like, “We met the FDA.” They wanted a demographic study. It was going to cost us $10 million to do the study that we didn’t have.

We would have to charge $10,000 for this device. We’re like, “That’s not going to work for people who need a device in their home.” We decided not to do the migraine study. We did some other studies. We did a fibromyalgia study through the VA in La Jolla, California, and also UCSD. We had extraordinary results in 30 days. They said that we got rid of their overall pain by over 40%. Your basic Big Pharma drugs are less than 2%, but they got through the FDA.

It was 40% in 30 days.

Yes. A lot of them on the survey said that they didn’t have it anymore. That happened to my best friend. I gave her a device and said, “Please use this.” She used it for six weeks. She didn’t need her meds anymore.

That’s amazing because everything is caused by inflammation. This treats the inflammation.

Western Medicine is relatively younger than others. When it comes to treating inflammation, the Chinese has been doing acupuncture for thousands of years.

The Chinese knew this for millennia. They’ve been doing acupuncture for thousands of years. They’ve figured it out. We’re a very young medical community. In the Western world, we’re youngsters. They’ve been doing it for millennia. The Egyptians figured it out. The Chinese figured it out. We were invited to go to the Microcirculation Institute in Amsterdam several years ago. We did a small pilot study there. We got to go through their little museum. They had all of these things from like 400 years. It’s when medicine started. We are very young when it comes to medicine and practicing medicine.

How To Address The Body’s Microcirculation Degradation

We’re learning as you go. Thank you for being pioneers in that sense. I want to ask a question on the scientific side, too. You said anybody over 40 who has blood, and we’ve talked a little bit about how your blood thickens, your red blood cells get stuck together. They can’t fit through the microcapillaries. Is there any other reason that our circulation or microcirculation degrades as we age?

It’s a lack of blood perfusion. We’re not good to ourselves. Let’s be honest. We eat Cheetos. We don’t go to the gym. We sit on the couch, and then we eat processed food and GMOs. It goes on and on. When I go to Europe, I can eat everything there. When I’m in the United States, I can’t eat any wheat or dairy. That’s just the way it is. I could walk around Europe and eat whatever I want. I come home and I’ve lost weight. It’s the weirdest thing because everything is fresh and farm-to-table.

Here, everything is processed. God knows what they’re putting in our food. We’re finally catching on and figuring that one out. That’s good, especially for our children. What we need to do is we need to be a little bit more conscious of what we’re doing. I’m guilty. I don’t go out for my walks like I should. I don’t do certain things, but I’ve got my AVACEN. This is my big body cheat. It’s basically a body hack that I am going to use for the rest of my life. This is my desert island deal. I travel with it. It travels. It goes on for free with a carry-on because it’s a medical device, like sleep apnea. I travel the world with my AVACEN.

 

 

I’m curious. You’re probably not taking days off because you’re traveling with it and everything else. If you do skip a day, two days, or a week, do you notice a significant difference?

I used to do that. By day three, I’ve got a headache like nobody’s business. I’m like, “I’m not doing that again.” At the beginning, I didn’t travel with my AVACEN. I’ll even pack my AVACEN in a suitcase and bubble wrap it in a jacket, and it’s fine. It travels beautifully. The first thing I do when I get to a hotel is unpack my AVACEN and plug it in. That’s the last thing I do. If I’m in a different time zone, which is often, and because we’re in California, going east, I hate it because I’ve already lost three hours. In the middle of the night, I get my hand in the machine, and I go right back to sleep because we’re engaging that parasympathetic.

It puts you back in that parasympathetic rest and renewal state.

It is rest, relax, and renew instead of the sympathetic, which is fight or flight. We’re all in the fight or flight because of this. A thousand years ago, there were two episodes of fight or flight. It was when you were going to hunt for food, or if you were running because you were going to become food. That’s it. Now, because of social media and everything, we’re at about 100 sympathetic triggers in 24 hours. It’s pathetic.

Because of social media, we are exposed to about 100 sympathetic triggers in 24 hours.

It is very hard to stay in that parasympathetic state.

It’s life, and life happens. That’s why this is what I do for the rest of my life. I will never miss.

How People Experienced Healing Through AVACEN

Let’s talk about some of the things that you’ve seen people have significant benefits or ways that people who have conditions or symptoms have been cured or healed. I know that it’s hard to make claims.

You can’t say cured.

People had made progress.

Isn’t it hard? It is so hard. That’s probably why a lot of people haven’t heard about us unless you know from a friend. I have an affiliate program because the AVACEN has to be experienced, not sit on a shelf in a box in a pharmacy, Walmart, or something. My affiliates loan out devices. They use it for a week or two. You don’t want to give it back. It’s a sharing thing.

I’ve personally stood next to a gentleman who had a migraine headache for three years, constant without any relief. I put his hand in the device. In ten minutes, he was crying. I’m like, “What happened?” I go to the “Oh my God. What happened?” place. He goes, “No, you don’t understand. I’ve had a headache for three years. I’m on so many pain meds. My wife was going to leave me. My headache is gone.” After six years, that gentleman still doesn’t have a headache.

That’s one. One application is migraines and fibromyalgia.

There are so many. I can’t even begin to tell you. I am going to tell my experiences because that’s legally what I can do. During the COVID lockdown, I went to a wedding. I came back with COVID, but I didn’t know it because I thought I had pneumonia. I did the AVACEN because I did the protocol. If you’re sick or you’re healing from surgery, every two hours for half an hour. I tested negative twice. I had 97 oxygen. I had my taste and smell. I didn’t have a fever. I thought, “Great.” As a singer, your lungs are always compromised.

That’s the way it is. I went to Wisconsin, went to my granddaughter’s wedding, and came back with pneumonia. Guess what? Two weeks later, I’m ill. I tested negative again. By week three, my sister came and saw me. She goes, “You’re going to the ER right now.” I was on my way out. At that point, I didn’t care. I lost 20 pounds in two weeks. I don’t suggest you do it that way, but that’s what happened because I wasn’t eating. I wasn’t sleeping. I was coughing my brains out.

I tested negative there. They gave me a super antibiotic. I don’t even know what it is. Two months later, I’m losing my hair. You don’t want a Leo to lose their hair because she is not going to be happy. Any woman is not going to be. It was an awful experience. If you google COVID hair loss, you will see millions of women who have lost their hair. For men, it was a loss of taste. For women, it’s losing their hair, which is the most horrific experience.

I went to my doctor. He goes, “Let’s do an antibody test.” I said, “Don’t be stupid.” He did this to my hair. I’m like, “Let’s do an antibody.” He said, “You had it.” I’m like, “What?” I had none of the symptoms other than the coughing and then the hair loss. My hair came back darker and curlier, but a lot of it, because I had the AVACEN. I thank God for that because all these women are walking around with wigs, hair pieces, and stuff. This grew my hair back epically quickly and came back different, like I went through cancer treatment. It was bizarre.

For anybody who is experiencing hair loss, this could have benefits for them as well.

Absolutely. I took a hair supplement. That’s a very popular one. I did the AVACEN. I’m telling you, my hair grew back like crazy. It was different. My sister and I have completely different hair now. It’s freaky, but I’m thankful. I’m getting ready to have foot surgery in January. I slipped and fell in a restaurant. I thought the AVACEN was going to cure it, but it didn’t because now I have arthritis. The doctor said, “I want to tell you. You’ve got the worst arthritic foot I’ve ever seen.”

I’m like, “Great. What’s my prize?” He goes, “A cortisone shot today and surgery.” I’m like, “What?” It’s happening in January. My protocol is going to be every two hours for half an hour. I will heal my foot 2/3 faster. I can’t wait to use my AVACEN for that. I also won’t have to take as many pain meds because it’s going to help with the pain. I’m supposed to be off my foot completely for a month. I’m going to guarantee you it’s going to be two weeks. The doctor is going to freak out. I can’t wait.

You have another good story to tell.

I’m going to have another good AVACEN story.

How Danielle Helped Her Father-In-Law Using AVACEN

You’ve mentioned your father and how you’re able to help him through with AVACEN. Could you share that story with us?

Do you mean my father-in-law?

Yes.

My father-in-law was 90 at the time. All of a sudden, he got dementia. He was living in 1942 when he was a Marine. He and his wife both ended up in the hospital because he got angry. He pushed her. She fell. We flew down to Florida for a week. I sat in a hospital with the two of them in the same room because they tried separating them, but they’re so worried about each other after 70 years of marriage. We closed up their house, sold their house, and got them back to Wisconsin in three weeks. We found a lovely assisted living. He was so bad that they put him in the dementia care unit. It was heartbreaking to break them up after 70 years. Everybody was crying, even the nurses. It was awful.

My father-in-law used the AVACEN. We said, “Dad, put your hand in the AVACEN.” All they do is stick them in front of a TV and give them medication. He did his AVACEN because that’s what he did. He must have done the AVACEN a lot, like five or six times a day, for probably at least half an hour. All of a sudden, his mind is coming back. It took us another three months to get him out of memory care because nobody ever does. After he got back out of memory care, he went back into assisted living. He became the card shark of his community until he passed at 95.

It is even things like dementia.

If you can get rid of the inflammation and the pain, you have the Holy Grail for longevity and wellness.

That’s my story about my father-in-law. That might not be somebody else’s story. I’m going to have to say that. That’s my family story about that. Inflammation is inflammation. We do cross the blood-brain barrier. We’ve got great arthritis stories because we are cleared for that. I’ve seen people’s gnarled hands straighten out. It takes 6 to 9 months.

Here’s the situation. The basic problem in America is the fact that we want to take a pill, and twenty minutes later, we want it gone. Guess what, people? It’s not going to happen that way. That pill that you’re taking is not helping your liver or your kidneys because everything goes through there. Eventually, it’s going to take its toll. The AVACEN is completely non-invasive and safe. It’s going to take longer, but if you keep doing it, it’s going to do amazing things.

You’re actually curing the root causes here and not putting a Band-Aid on it.

If you can get rid of the inflammation and get rid of the pain, you’ve got the holy grail for longevity and wellness. I want to be the girl running around in Tuscany, drinking champagne and eating good food when I’m 95 years old. I’m going to do it.

Why AVACEN Has No Negative Side Effects

Why not? I’m assuming, as you mentioned, there are no negative side effects to using this. There’s nothing harmful that can be done.

No. Your hair grows. Your nails grow. You’re spending more money at the stylist and your manicurist, but your hair is growing like crazy because you’ve got good microcirculation. You’re going to sleep well. You’re going to feel great. You’re not going to hurt when you wake up. If you do, you’re going to put your hand in the AVACEN, and you won’t hurt. It’s just there. It’s that. It sounds so easy, but it took us a long time to figure it out.

At the beginning, we had no idea what we were doing until Dr. Nathan Newman, who is one of our directors in our company, had a list of all these things. It was helping his patients. It was amazing. We’re a small company, so we can’t do all of these big studies to get the efficacy proven through the FDA. We have our fingers crossed. We have incredible results with people with sickle cell. We will get them off of an eight down to a pain level of five, then three, and then one.

There’s nothing out there for these warriors. They go into the hospital. They drug them out until the pain subsides. The AVACEN, because of the oxygen and the nutrients being infused, and the cells going to round instead of that sickle, it’s called a breakthrough device. We are hoping and praying that we can get that FDA clearance for a breakthrough device because there is nothing out there. One of the Big Pharmas was in stage three of developing a pill. They dropped it and stopped doing it because they could not use it on young ones. That’s what it starts. Sickle cell starts when you’re little. We’re the only thing we know that will help their pain without having to be hospitalized. Fingers crossed on that one.

Danielle’s Most Memorable Mentors And Investors

Good luck. I wish you the best on that. That would be wonderful. I do have a question about your board because you do have advisors. I’ve actually interviewed Dr. Newman on this show. He’s fantastic. He’s the best.

Ladies, he’s got the best skincare. I use it every day. STEM is amazing.

It is. I imagine combining that with the AVACEN is a one-two punch for skincare.

That’s what I do. His regenerative serum is unbelievable. He’s been doing it for a long time.

He seems to be years ahead of most others in that field.

He always has been. We are so blessed to have him. He was our first commercial customer several years ago. He met Tom. He goes, “What does this do?” At the time, we’re like, “It helps migraines.” He goes, “I’ll buy one for my patients at the clinic.” If you go to Dr. Nathan’s clinic in Beverly Hills, there’s an AVACEN room. It’s got this etched door of a beautiful woman on the door. You open the door. There’s AVACEN there. All of his patients come and go and use the AVACEN whenever they want. He uses it for post-op.

It speeds up their healing and their recovery.

Yes, it’s helping their recovery.

There are probably other advisors that you have in place as well.

Some of our directors have been with us for seventeen years. One of our first ones with Dr. Newman, and he’s actually on our website under ‘Experiences,’ is Dr. Bob Klein. He was a Mayo doctor for arthritis rheumatology. This is an interesting story. When we met him many years ago, he was retired and living in Santa Barbara. His wife had terrible arthritis. She was a beautiful concert pianist and loved to garden. She couldn’t do that anymore.

He was out walking one day. He was out hiking. He saw one of his ex-patients hopping around on all these rocks and stuff. He goes, “Wait. How are you doing that?” He goes, “There’s this guy who has this device. I got it through Dr. Newman.” It’s a small world. He calls Dr. Newman, finds Tom’s number, calls Tom, and goes, “My name is Dr. Bob. You have something that could help my wife. I’d like to purchase one.”

We were so grateful because we’re tiny. We’re barely sliding along. We only had two or three people in the company as employees at that time. He purchased one. Two weeks later, he calls again. He goes, “I want to buy four more.” Tom was like, “Hallelujah. That helps the payroll.” A couple of months later, he calls and goes, “I need to talk to you because this device is working. What are you doing for investment?” Tom was like, “That’s interesting that you asked because I’m putting a PPM together. We’re doing $1 million raise.” He goes, “Send it to me. Don’t talk to anybody else.”

About two weeks later, he always called Tom at 9:00 in the morning. Every day, Tom would get up, look at the bank account, and see how we’re doing, if we’re going to survive. When I say we bootstrap this company, I’m not kidding. We wanted to maintain a majority share. We knew how important that was. He calls and goes, “Tom, it’s Dr. Bob. Have you looked at your bank account this morning?” Tom was like, “I was getting ready to do that.” He goes, “Take a look at it while I’m on the phone.”

He wired in $1 million. He was our first Angel investor. That’s how the universe has provided for us. Whenever we needed a miracle or something, there it was. We’re supposed to be on this planet helping people. Not everyone can afford an AVACEN, but my goal is that you can go someplace where you can experience the AVACEN, like a community center, a church, a temple, or someplace where you can gather and do a treatment, because it is life-changing.

Recommended Minimum Usage Of AVACEN For Maximum Results

On that note, I know there’s the at-home device and then there’s the more commercial device. How often would someone need to use this at a minimum to see benefits?

It depends on what they have. If you’re a healthy person, every couple of days would be fine. If you have a chronic illness, you need it every day. It’s like brushing your teeth to see the results every day. The cool thing is that because it’s dry heat, a vacuum, and you, it’s very safe. My great-granddaughter slipped and hit her head. She was two and a half. She slipped on the bathroom floor, hit her head, and got a huge hematoma on the back of her head.

They take her to the Children’s Hospital. They say, “It’s going to take a month for this swelling to go down.” At two and a half, she knows how to use the AVACEN. She puts the mitt on and puts her hand in. She had the home device, which is the push-button one, and does her treatments. In one week, the hematoma is gone. If a two-and-a-half-year-old can use it, it’s pretty darn safe. It’s a family device. It’s an investment, but it’s for the whole family. My whole family has used it.

I’ve got two nephews. They are almost 25. One is at the University of Michigan getting his PhD and master’s at the same time, and also working on cancer research in a lab. Guess what? He’s got an AVACEN because I hear him when I talk to him on the phone at the end of the night. He’s got his hand in the device. He has a twin brother. The other one is doing architecture up in LA. When I talk to him, I can hear the AVACEN in the background. It’s awesome because it calms them down. It helps them sleep. It gets rid of that monkey brain when you can’t turn your brain off. It calms you.

Making AVACEN Easily Available To Everyone

Can we talk a little bit about accessibility? I know there’s a commercial device, as you said, in Dr. Newman’s office, or sometimes, there are churches or temples.

We actually got rid of the commercial one because it was very confusing. We now just have the XL. The doctors can buy a commercial license. A lot of doctors don’t charge for treatment, like Dr. Newman. They use it as something for their patients, but if you’re going to charge for it, you have to have a one-time color commercial license. The XL is also for the home. We are paring down our devices. We used to have a generation two called the home device, which is the push button.

That was our second one. I’ve got nine of them left. That’s it, and then we’re done. I’m excited because I can talk about the XL. I came up with a new one that is for spas and people who like something a little bit fancier. It’s going to Dubai. It’s a gold one. It’s called the GXL. That one we’ve embedded with the 528 miracle frequency. I’m excited for people to experience that.

They’re all doing the same thing. Most people are going to want one of these in their home because they’re going to want to use it all the time, especially for preventative care. I know you’re using it for prevention. As you said, anybody who has blood could be using this device.

Anyone over 40 who has blood needs an AVACEN, the end. I know it sounds sassy, but it’s true.

Anyone over the age of 27, our inflammation markers start to increase. Our muscle mass and everything else start to decrease. Our VO2 max starts to decrease. Anything like this can be very preventative.

It is like jumper cables for your circulatory system.

In terms of prevention, it is feeling our best, having the best circulation, preventing inflammation, and preventing chronic diseases.

If you have a sports injury, we’re epic. I’ve got the San Diego Sockers indoor team. They have ten of them. They were undefeated at home. They were in second place in the league because they played Mexico. Chuck Liddell has our device. The Machados have our device. A lot of professional athletes and a lot of professional musicians have our device, but they don’t want to be talked about. One famous guitar player left his AVACEN at home and was giving a concert in Geneva, Switzerland. We had to overnight a device to him. We got a picture of a thank-you with his device overlooking Lake Geneva. I’m like, “That’s hilarious.” We have a lot of people, but they don’t want to talk about it because it’s their secret weapon. All my ballplayers don’t talk about the AVACEN.

It is because they don’t want the competition to have it.

It’s crazy. So many of our athletes are like, “We love it, but we’re not going to talk about it.”

We can’t give our competition a leg up.

No, they’re not going to do it. It’s funny, and it’s sad at the same time.

This is fascinating and amazing. Thank you for the amazing work that you’ve done and that you’re doing to promote this. I would be excited for us at Shell Point to be able to have access to these as well.

Any assisted living. We did two studies in Shanghai, China. The first one was with 25 people. The majority of them got off their walkers. Their sleep was great. No more sundowning. Their pain was gone, so they didn’t have to take as many pain meds. They said, “This can’t be right. Let’s do a 100-person study.” They stopped at 65 because the results were amazing.

That’s once a day or twice a day?

They were doing it twice a day. They would sit at the community center, put their hand in there, and use the AVACEN.

I love that it’s so easy. Anyone can do it, even if you have a significant disability. You could be confined to bed rest, but you can put your hand in this device and get better.

Maybe you won’t be confined to bed rest for long. You do that protocol every two hours for half an hour, but drink a lot of good water because we’re flushing stuff through your body.

Get In Touch With Danielle And Buy AVACEN

That’s helpful. How can people find the device? I know that there are also payment plans, too.

Yes, because not everybody can afford a $4,500 device. We usually do a coupon of at least 10%. That’s helpful. During COVID, we actually lowered our prices because we wanted more people to have them. It is AVACEN.com. We also have financing through Bread and Klarna. That’s also helpful when you’re checking out. We could do a coupon for your audience if they’d like it. A500, and we’ll take $500 off. That will be $3,995.

A500, if they use that code, then they’ll get that discount.

I’m excited. Thank you for this opportunity. I love talking about the AVACEN. Thanks for your great questions and your great homework, because you did your homework. That was awesome.

Thank you for the amazing work that you’re doing to impact and transform people’s lives. Thanks for sharing that message with our audience. We’ll try to get that out to as many people as possible and incorporate it here as well. It’s wonderful to meet you, Danielle. Thank you so much.

Thanks.

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I hope you enjoyed this conversation with Danielle from AVACEN Medical. I’m so fascinated by devices and new technologies like that, which isn’t actually all that new. It’s been around for over seventeen years, but it’s little known and not as mainstream. Hopefully, we can get that message out. As she said, anyone over the age of 40 who has blood, which is all of us over the age of 40, can benefit from using a device like the AVACEN.

It is a dry heat, a vacuum, and you. That’s the formula there to open up the microcapillaries and allow the blood to flow by thinning the blood out, allowing the blood to flow through all of our microcapillaries. It brings oxygen to all those parts of our body that are often cut off and leading to inflammation. This is an amazing way to reduce inflammation and get rid of inflammation within our bodies, which can lead to so many opportunities to heal. We have to be careful about what claims are made. You read some of her anecdotes and her own experiences with her sister, her father-in-law, herself, and many others. Try this out. They have had some studies on fibromyalgia.

As she mentioned, they’re doing some studies on the sickle cell as well and having amazing results. I’m hopeful to have one of these devices, hoping to have one for my father here soon as well. Danielle and I were talking about that offline here, but you can get it at AVACEN.com. If you use the code A500, you’ll get $500 off the device. There are financing options on there as well. Check it out. Learn more about it. There are plenty of videos and research out there as well on it. Thanks so much for tuning in. We’ll see you back here next time on Fully Alive.

 

 

Important Links

• AVACEN Medical
• Danielle Forsgren on LinkedIn
• Dr. Nathan Newman’s Website
• STEM Skincare
• Shell Point Retirement Community
• Making Stem Cell Therapy More Accessible With Dr. Nathan Newman